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DoD News Briefing: Captain Mike Doubleday, DATSD PA

Presenters: Captain Mike Doubleday, DATSD PA
November 28, 1995 1:30 PM EDT

Tuesday, November 28, 1995 - 1:30 p.m.

Captain Doubleday: Good afternoon.

I have no announcements, so let me try and answer some of your questions.

Q: Can you go into any more detail on the 500-700 troops who are going to be going into Bosnia? For example; precisely when you expect them to go in. In as much detail as possible what are they going to be doing? And thirdly, given that they're going in before the formal signing of the agreement, do you anticipate any kind of extra danger that they might have to face because of that and any steps that might be taken to alleviate that? (Laughter)

A: I may have to get back to you during the course of this to get refreshed on the full extent of the question, but I believe what you're talking about is the enabling force.

The enabling force for Bosnia will number about 1,400. Of that, there will be 700-plus that will be U.S.

The actual deployment date for the enabling force is keyed to several things. One is, the President of the United States must, of course, agree to deploy the enabling force. Then there must also be some NAC action with regard to the plan. My understanding is that the NAC intends to take up the issue of the NATO plan for the implementation force on Thursday of this week, and possibly have approval of the plan by Friday. So those are two very important things that must precede the actually deployment of the enabling force.

One of the critical factors in the deployment of the enabling force has to do with when the Paris peace conference is going to be held. At this point that date has not yet been set. But the reason that that date is important is because I think you're all aware that that date will be the start of the deployment of the main body. The hope is to have the enabling force into the area about, oh, two weeks or so before the main force actually deploys, the main implementation force deploys.

So those are some of the factors.

The purpose of the enabling force is to facilitate the deployment of the main deployers, and that is to say they're going to be there to do things like set up the headquarters, start building communications and logistics networks. They will also include some Special Forces soldiers who are trained to set up liaison teams with the various parties to the agreement. These are going to be a very important part of this because there are a number of requirements that the parties who sign up to the agreement have to achieve throughout the course of the next year. And importantly, there are a number of things that have to occur before we're going to deploy the main body. So all of these things are going to be looked at by the enabling force. They're going to have a big job on their hands. But there are some requirements before you see any movement of those people.

Q: Those people, in terms of the Americans, are they all coming from Germany?

A: There may be a few individuals who don't come from Germany, but the vast majority of the people will come from Germany.

Was there more to your question that I missed?

Q: Can you give us more on the Special Forces? Will they be...

A: I think you've seen in other deployments that we've done, for instance the one down in Haiti, there are Special Forces personnel who have skills in getting together with civilian leadership, political leadership, so that it enables our military to work very effectively with the civilian side. Sometimes those skills, by the way, include language capability. But they also have training that enables them to do the kinds of things that facilitate military workings with civilians effectively.

Q: Do you anticipate European enabling forces?

A: Oh, yes. This is actually a NATO deployment. As I say, the total number for Bosnia -- I want to make it clear, we're talking Bosnia here for the 1,400 -- it's a NATO deployment of which 700-plus are going to be U.S.

There will also be enabling forces, another group, and I think the number there is probably 1,200, but it includes a similar percentage of American or U.S. troops that will be deploying to Croatia.

Q: Where does the enabling force go? To Sarajevo, to Tuzla? Where?

A: They go to several different locations in Bosnia, but basically, they're going to be going to the locations where the implementation force is going to be establishing headquarters. Again, you look back at the kinds of things they're going to be doing. They're going to look to set up communications, logistics, so they will be going into the areas where you'll see large numbers of forces deploying later, after the peace agreement is actually signed.


Q: When you say logistics, will they be setting leases on buildings? Will they go in with a lease full of money and start...

A: In some cases there may be that. They'll be identifying facilities where they can set up not only headquarters, but barracks, that kind of thing.

Some of this work has previously been done by the survey teams that have been going in, but there's a lot of work that has to be done any time you deploy a sizeable force -- in this case 60,000. So they've got a lot of work to do. Basically what we're attempting to do with this enabling force is to get some of the important facilities that the troops are going to be depending on set up before they actually arrive.

Q: Can you tell us about the survey teams that are there now. Where they are today, how many of them there are, and what they're doing?

A: To my knowledge, there is one survey team, but I can't tell you exactly where it is. I don't believe that it got into Tuzla today, which is where it was going. I think there was some television coverage of at least one of the survey teams. But there is a team of about ten people that is either in Zagreb or Sarajevo, enroute to Tuzla.

Q: By roads?

A: Actually, I have some indication of how they are going, but I think I'm not going to tell you that at this point. I think for security reasons, after they get there, I'll be glad to tell you how they got there.

Q: All Americans?

A: They're all Americans. It's headed by an Air Force colonel, but I'm not certain that the full team is Air Force. It's a team that was set out to check out the situation in Tuzla in terms of the airport there and other facilities that the U.S. Forces are going to be taking advantage of when they deploy.

Q: They've already checked out the airfield there...

A: There has been a team that has gone in there previously to look at that, but I think that they want to look further at what they've got to deal with there.

Another important part to this whole deployment that I think a lot of people have missed is that there are UNPROFOR troops that I think are already in Bosnia, in place, and those UNPROFOR troops simply change their hats, so to speak. They take off the United Nations hat at some point in the future, and put on their national hat again, and report to their unit to be incorporated into the IFOR organization. And I think this will facilitate the deployment to a large extent.

In the case of Tuzla, there are some Danish troops that have been in there for a period of more than a year, and the U.S. survey teams that go in there, of course, take advantage of the fact that the UN forces have been there and have a lot of good experience in the area. They will be drawing on that experience in the future. The way this force in Tuzla is going to ultimately be set up, it will incorporate not only U.S. Forces, but forces from Nordic countries to include some of those who are already there now.

Q: Where does the troop list stand? And have any stateside units received notification that they may be going?

A: Good question, and we are watching very closely. There has been a message that has gone out from the Joint Staff to the Commander-in-Chief of USACOM asking that ACOM identify units and commence training of those units which could be called for the deployment. At this point, there has been no list of units that will actually be deployed, and I would anticipate that some time in the next week or so we would see such a list. But, at this point, no unit has been identified for deployment in connection with this.

Another thing that you need to keep in mind is, of course, there's a lot of focus on the Reserves. We've talked about the fact that there will be Reserves that will be activated for this, but not all of the units that are being trained or may ultimately deploy from the United States will necessarily be Reserve units. Some of them will, but there will be some active duty units that will also participate in this evolution. I can't give you numbers at this point, but I just want to make sure that everybody understands that it's not strictly a reserve evolution.

Q: Do you know whether training has commenced yet? Training units.

A: I believe that it has for the units that may be in a position to be called up.

Q: On this message to ACOM, what tasks did the Joint Staff tell ACOM the unit should be prepared to do? They must have given him some clue as to what kind of units they wanted.

A: Frankly I haven't seen the message so I can't tell you, but you might check with Chuck Franklin to see if it actually provided that much detail.

Q: Otherwise I don't know how you'd know what you're supposed to be sending.

A: You mean what kinds of things... Well, I think you can certainly imagine that we're training for one, a deployment to either Bosnia or to other locations in Europe in support of the operation; secondly, that they would be drawing on those skills that don't presently reside in Europe; and the kinds of units that we've already gone through in terms of reserves, that includes civil affairs, I would imagine some postal units, probably public affairs units, historians, those kinds of things.

Q: In the overall scheme of things, when does the United Nations drop out and NATO pick up?

A: There will be a date, and it is after the arrival of the IFOR in Bosnia, and we're talking here a number of days, not weeks, where there will be a transfer of authority. A TOA is what they call it in military jargon. My guess at this point is that it would occur within the first four to six days.

Q: Is there any special equipment that the U.S. troops may have that wouldn't be part of a normal deployment, whether it be body armor, or are they just carrying a standard package essentially?

A: I'm not sure that I can identify for you any special equipment. I know that we have talked many times that they're going to go in heavy, partly because of the safety factor that we're putting into this deployment. They want to make sure that the deployment errs on the side of sending too much rather than too little. Then, after they get a better idea of exactly what they encounter on the ground, it may be possible to actually redeploy some of the troops. But as for any kind of special equipment, I just don't have that level of detail at this point.

Q: A couple more points about the enabling force. Is an enabling force going into any country other than Bosnia and Croatia? Is one going into Hungary, for example?

A: I know that you all are very interested in Hungary, and let me tell you what I know about that. NATO asked the United States to hold some preliminary talks with the government of Hungary concerning possible logistics support for the IFOR. Those talks did, indeed, take place. There has been no final decision. I think the government of Hungary is dealing with this issue and that the parliament over there may be considering the issue today, but, at this point, they have not made a final determination.

Having said that, indeed, there is a plan to provide something different from the enabling force which would be kind of a support force that would be in some of the countries in the surrounding area, but at this point I can't identify for you what those countries are. But there is a support force which has primarily a responsibility for logistics support that is also involved in this.

Q: That would also involve U.S. troops?

A: Oh yes, indeed.

Q: But it would be a NATO operation, a support force, which is different from EFOR and IFOR.

A: That's correct. The support force is a different force. It would involve U.S. troops, but it would also involve other NATO troops. In that one I think we're talking probably in the neighborhood of 3,000 U.S. troops.

Q: How many countries in the area?

A: I can't at this point identify for you the various countries in the area.

Q: We're sending the 1st Armored Division to winter weather. Who's going to build houses for these guys, or are they going to be in tents?

A: I don't have that level of detail. I think you've seen some of the coverage that has come out of Germany with regard to the training and the preparations that are going on there. I know that the people over at the European Command in Germany and at the Army component are focusing on these kinds of things, but frankly, I can't answer your question as to whether everybody is going to be in tents or everybody is going to be in buildings or it will be a combination of both. I suspect at this point it will be a combination.

Q: But you don't anticipate sending in construction teams as part of...

A: There may be some construction teams go in.

Q: As part of the enabling force.

A: I don't believe that the enabling force is in the business of actually building anything, no.

Q: Are these all part of the 20,000, or are these additional?

A: Let me go through that, too. We have specified a number of troops for Bosnia. The number of U.S. troops in Bosnia is going to be 20,000. Now in the countries surrounding Bosnia and providing various kinds of support, the number of troops will be in the neighborhood of 5,000. This is U.S. troops that I'm talking about, not NATO troops. NATO troops, their total number is about 60,000.

Q: That I understand. Are the enablers that are going to be...

A: They are part of the 20,000.

Q: You mean in Italy and in Croatia, the total number of American uniformed people...

A: No, I'm saying in the rimmed countries in that area. The number of troops that are presently in Italy are not counted in the numbers that I just gave you.

Q: How many are in Italy?

A: I don't think I've got that number with me. (Laughter) Colonel Kennett may be able to enlighten me on this. (Laughter) I'm sure we have that number, I just don't happen to have it with me.

By the way, getting back to the site survey team, it is present in Zagreb and it hopes to get to Tuzla tomorrow.

Q: General Shali mentioned that U.S. and allied forces can fire first if there's any hostile intent.

A: Yes.

Q: Can you give us some examples? What can be constituted as a hostile intent?

A: Well, I don't want to get into those kinds of examples at this point. I think the point that the General was trying to make there was that our troops are going to have the kind of ROE [rules of engagement] that will enable them to deal with situations in a way that is going to ensure their safety. That is a key point to this whole evolution, because that is one of the factors that we want to ensure throughout this entire deployment -- the safety of the troops. The ROE, the chain of command, the training, all of the kinds of things that you have been hearing officials in the government talk about here for the last several weeks, all of those are designed to accomplish that. That is safety of the troops.

Q: This may be open question to whether the troops should be perimeter with other groups, Bosnian or Serbs or others that (inaudible), weapons should be away from the troops, and is there any limitation on distance or presence, zones that are going to be between separate the troops, U.S. and allies troops, from any other armed troops?

A: You might want to take a look at the agreement that was signed in Dayton. It actually lays out kind of a detailed plan of this kind of disengagement that is going to take place in the next few months. And I would just point out that there are a few things that I might highlight in this. The first one is that one of our primary missions, tasks that we will have when we go in there, has to do with monitoring and enforcing the compliance with the military provisions of the agreement that was signed in Dayton. We're going to monitor and we're going to enforce these. Part of the agreement was that they are to withdraw their forces from behind the zone of separation which is approximately two kilometers on either side of the agreed-upon ceasefire line. Then that all has to be done within the first 30 days after the agreement is signed. Within 45 days, they have to redeploy the forces from the areas which are to be subsequently transferred from one entity to the other. Then, for an additional 45 days, there's going to be no introduction of forces into these transferred areas.

So again, what I think you've seen here is the parties who signed the agreement have already specified in the agreement some of the steps that they are going to take. What our troops are going to be doing is to enforce essentially what they've signed up to or what they will sign up to in Paris.

I can't specify for you exactly where our troops are going to be because they're going to have to do patrolling in order to monitor the situations in these areas, but there is a very clear set of milestones that have been set out in this peace agreement that are going to have to be followed in order for it to be implemented, and that is part of what we are going to be monitoring as we take on this task.

Q: You've got what sounds like about a two-week window between when the enabling force goes in and the IFOR goes in. Aren't those folks going to be particularly vulnerable in that time given their small numbers?

A: There is a plan that protects them. Then also keep in mind, this is an agreement to which the parties have all signed. And that, I think, is one of the key factors in all of this. These people are being invited to come there to restore the peace to that area. And that is one of the key things that I think we've got to focus on.

Q: Can you elaborate on this plan? (Laughter)

A: I'm not going to get into the details of how they're going to do it, but they'll go in there in a way that they can be protected with air. They can be protected with the deployment of other forces, if necessary. I don't want to get into the details, but I just want to assure everybody that there is a plan that is going to protect these folks.

Q: A couple of general housekeeping issues in Bosnia. Has the necessary air and rail, permission for air and rail transport through some of those rim countries been granted?

A: I can't answer that question. I don't know whether all of that has been taken care of or if that is part of the deliberations that are going on right now.

Q: The issue of land mines is a big issue now. As I read the agreement, that's the responsibility of the parties to...

A: That's correct.

Q: So IFOR will have no part of trying to find or disable those land mines as an active...

A: They are not involved in destroying the land mines or in finding them. But, of course, they have a great interest in where those land mines are, and part of the agreement is the parties will identify... There will be a parallel effort which will seek to find and destroy the mines.


Q: On the multinational forces...

A: One other thing that I just want to say before we get to this next question. I want to point out that part of the training that the troops have been going through in Germany deals with this very issue. That is that they need to be very careful of mines. They have incorporated into the training a sensitivity to the fact that this is an area that has a great number of mines.

Q: Just one more question. The multinational troops that will be serving with the Americans, will they be answering to General Nash? How is that command and control going to work? Will they be answering to an American general?

A: Yes, they go through... The chain of command is that. But let me just point out for you, this is the way NATO has operated for years and years and years. There is a chain of command that goes from General Joulwan to Admiral Smith to General Walker to General Nash. It is a chain of command that will work well for us.

Dr. Perry is over in Brussels today talking with Minister Grachev on the issue of whether the Russians will be able to participate or not in this effort. One of the key things to keep in mind is that the national control of any forces which are involved in this thing always remains with the nation. That is to say the U.S. forces are always under national control, although they may be under the operational command of a NATO chain of command. This is kind of difficult for a lot of people to understand because it's a nuance that is probably only comprehensible to Pentagon reporters and the people who work here in the Pentagon. But basically what it means is that, if a nation has a problem with the operation, they always have the right to pull out of the operation. Do they have the capability to veto the operation or to individual tactical calls by the commander? No, they don't. They can pull out of the operation. And this is something that's been part of NATO from the very beginning.

Q: On the Dayton agreement, one negligible thing is the time-table that you were bringing up which is a lot of the heavy lifting, the separation of the troops, has to be done within 30 days, and ceded territories done within 45, and from 30 days on, NATO forces can move into the territories that need to be ceded to act as overseers of it.

There seems to be some kind of mismatch between that very rapid (inaudible) of the time-table, and the relatively slow pace that we've been hearing so far for the actual buildup of the NATO forces. Do you see a mismatch...

A: I'm not sure I see that. The buildup of the forces is that the deployment begins within I believe it's four days of the signing of the peace agreement. That within a month, half of the total force is in there, and within probably a 60-day period the entire force is in there. It may be that they'll even move faster than that.

Q: Actually being in there is different from having operational capability, given that they've got to build their own housing...

A: Yes, but I think you'll find that they will move very quickly because they've already got some of the UNPROFOR forces that are in there, have established, and many of those will simply change hats and go to work.

Q: ...heavy lifting, physical heavy lifting, that's going to be done with actually a minority of the NATO force there and operational.

A: I think you'll see them moving very quickly to establish their control in the area. That is part of the deployment plan. Part of the reason that they wanted to have this enabling force move in early so that they could get an early start.

Q: Back to the point about the JCS notice to USACOM. There's been training going on for this mission now for more than a year, maybe close to two years over in Europe that we've all heard about. It seems odd that now just on the very eve of it, an order is going out to begin training among some units in the States. Has there been some realization that the mission as...

A: I would imagine that a unit commander who has a sensitivity to what might be occurring has noticed that perhaps his unit might be called upon to participate in this. I don't think, particularly with regard to the reserve units and some of the Special Forces units, that it's any secret that they have a unique capability that is not duplicated elsewhere in the Army. And that those units certainly have long ago been aware of the situation in Bosnia and have been thinking about what needed to be done in order to be ready for a deployment. So I think you're right. There is a great deal of training that has been going on. This is the formal notification that you always have to go through any time you get one of these deployments.

Q: You talked about two things that have to happen before the enabling force deploys. NAC approval and Presidential approval. Are there other things?

A: For the enabling force?

Q: Right.

A: Those are the two primary things that I am aware of. They need to get the Presidential authority and the approval from the NAC on the plan that General Joulwan has put together. Before the actual force deploys, I think you've heard the senior administration officials say that we want to see some evidence that the agreement is taking hold and that the parties who have signed the agreement have expressed a willingness to have the troops in there, and that the ceasefire is holding. We want to make sure that what we are enforcing here is a peace. We're not going in to fight a war.

Q: At what point will a mission order be issued?

A: For what?

Q: Will it be one mission order for the enabling force and then a second for the...

A: My guess is yes, there is something that will go out from NATO for the enabling force and then a second, I think it's called an ACTWARN that will go out for the main force that will be going in.

Q: That would follow both those steps, NAC approval and Presidential approval, but maybe not the third thing you mentioned?

A: The other thing that is going to happen in this overall process, the NAC is going to be meeting, as I say, to deliberate on a plan on Thursday and Friday of this week. Then there is another meeting that is coming up on the 4th and the 5th of next week which involves the foreign ministers and ministers of defense of NATO countries. Dr. Perry and Secretary Christopher are both going to be attending that meeting. My understanding is that at that meeting they plan to officially endorse the plan and then, which by that time will already have been approved by the NAC.

Q: Can you describe how many additional troops you anticipate will be operating in the American zone that will be under the command of General Nash? How many, 5,000 additional troops? The multinational part of the force that's operating in the American zone.

A: I think that the total number may be in the neighborhood of 10,000. I can give you kind of a rundown on that. Our 20,000 troops are going to be joining the 1,000 Danish troops that are already in Tuzla. They're all going to be under the command of General Nash, who is the commander of the 1st Armored Division.

The other troops who are going to be in this area which is described by NATO as Sector Southeast, will include this...


[Correction: The name of the sector in Bosnia where a U.S.-led multi-national division will be located was incorrectly referred to in today's DoD press briefing as "Sector Southeast." The correct name is "Sector North."]

Q: Isn't it in northeast Bosnia?

Q: Southeast of what? (Laughter)

A: They will include a Nordic brigade which includes Norwegian, Finnish, Danish, Swedish, and possibly some Polish troops which will number about 4,500 total.

Q: Does that include the thousand Danish you just mentioned?

A: Yes, as well as we hope, a Russian brigade and a Turkish task force consisting of one or two battalions.

Q: Give us a rough estimate, what is a Russian brigade?

A: I think you've heard the talk on that one is 1,000 to 2,000.

Q: And the Turkish?

A: The Turkish, I don't have numbers for you on that one.

There is also some talk of troops from Baltic nations of Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania also being involved in that sector.

Q: This looks to me like in this sector you will have half of the total force in this one sector. Half of NATO's total force will be in this one sector and the other sectors will be much smaller? Will they be smaller...

A: I can't at this point tell you exactly what the other parts of the NATO plan look like, other than the fact that they plan on a total force of about 60,000 in Bosnia.

Q: If 30,000 of them are in the American sector then...

A: I hope your arithmetic is correct.

Q: Then you obviously are not going to have... Okay.

Q: We know Tuzla, but can you name some of the other major towns that sort of define that sector?

A: In this sector? I can't. I just simply don't have that with me today. But I'm sure we'll be able to get it for you. Certainly by the time the Chairman testifies on Thursday and Friday, we'll have more details on the map.

Q: Can you provide how many square miles, roughly, the American sector...

A: I think we probably also can get that for you, but I don't have it with me.

Q: And a state equivalent? It's about half the size of a particular state...

A: We'll be able to calculate that part, too.

Q: Nowhere in the agreement on NATO or (inaudible) NATO forces, there is any mention of the humanitarian operation in Bosnia. What is the future or the status of the humanitarian operation? The people who have been under siege for so long, (inaudible) increased? Will it be (inaudible) generated through other agencies or what?

A: There is a very important and parallel operation that must go on while this implementation force is doing its work in Bosnia, and that is the work that involves humanitarian operations, involves all kinds of civic actions, involves the clearance of mines. All those kinds of things are going to be done by an organization that is separate from the IFOR and does not involve the U.S. military. So I don't have any information for you on the specifics of that except to say that that, of course, is a very important part of the overall peace agreement. It just simply does not involve the U.S. troops.

Q: Do the U.S. control that?

A: I can't tell you. I would imagine that UNHCR would play some role, but I don't know that they will actually control the entire operation.

Q: This is a joint American/Russian engineering group which will go in afterwards, part of the humanitarian...

A: John, I'm not sure that that engineering group is any longer a proposition. I think it has been essentially overtaken by the idea of having the Russians participate directly with the Americans in the IFOR.

Q: What was announced in...

A: Essentially what has occurred here is that, as the talks progressed and the apparatus was worked out for the Russians to participate directly, that seems to be proceeding.

Q: To stay on the Russians a little bit and what Secretary Perry might be talking to Grachev about. What are the issues that are specifically on the table for them? Has it been determined that the Russians are going to get a deputy command position? How does that work?

A: I hate not to be able to answer your question, but frankly, I expect some kind of an announcement in Brussels today on that very subject, and so I would just ask you to check back with us a little later when perhaps we'll have a transcript of what Secretary Perry and Minister Grachev say as a result of their meeting. I just don't have a readout at this point and I don't believe they have met with the news media over there.

Q: If the sector in the northeast is called Sector Southeast, what is the southern sector called? (Laughter)

A: I simply can't clear it up because I haven't seen all the names for the others.

Q: Can you determine if it isn't a typo, because...

A: I will raise that question again and we'll see if we can't get that.

[Correction: The name of the sector in Bosnia where a U.S.-led multi-national division will be located was incorrectly referred to in today's DoD press briefing as "Sector Southeast." The correct name is "Sector North."]

Q: One of the networks yesterday was quoting a figure for the total number of U.S. military forces in support of the 20,000, that is to say people in Italy, people at sea, and so on, as being roughly another 20,000. Can you comment on that?

A: I can't because I don't have the numbers. And the one thing I will tell you about numbers in this operation is be very, very cautious of them. It will require not only our best efforts but yours to ensure that we have a full accounting of everybody that is involved in this.

Q: What is your Italy number that...

A: Let me run through this. U.S. military personnel who are presently involved in the operations related to the former Yugoslavia, we've got DENY FLIGHT. These are the aircraft that are still operating out, principally out of Italy, bases in Italy and also from the aircraft carrier. We have about 1,100 at Aviano and 600 at Brindisi. We have, of course, normally with an aircraft carrier, you're talking between 5,500 and 6,000. With SHARP GUARD it varies, but we normally have between two to three ships, U.S. ships that are in the Adriatic, so you've got 700 to 1,000 people in that one. Then the airlift, PROVIDE PROMISE, we've got about 700. That's 300 from the 86th Wing which is the source wing for the C-130s at Ramstein; 70 at the Italian Adriatic seaport city of Ancona; and 140 at the JTF Headquarters in Naples; 190 at Vicenza. All of that adds up to about 700.


A: SETAF is, of course, normally based there. It's not anything...

Q: They have nothing to do with Bosnia?

A: Well, I think you may see them playing a role in Bosnia too, but I don't happen to have a rundown on how many people in SETAF are presently there.

Q: How many military personnel are in Italy?

A: I'm sure we can get you that number, but I just don't happen to have it right now.

Q: American troops that are part of the enabling force, and certainly part of the IFOR, will they get hazardous duty pay or combat pay?

A: We will have early next week a rundown of all of the benefits that will accrue to people who are involved in this, but I cannot answer your question just yet.

Q: Why is that? This is sort of a basic...

A: Why is that? I just don't happen to know.

Q: Can you take the question?

A: I can take the question, but I would prefer to give this as kind of an overall thing as to kind of nickel and dime it.

Q: DENY FLIGHT pilots and crew don't get hazardous duty pay?

A: I don't know. I'd have to look at that.

Q: Has the unit under General Nash identified the mines that they would like to see cleared? That would be done by a separate...

A: That's correct. We're not involved in the mine clearing business.

Q: Do we know who will do that?

A: I don't have that with me, but I know it's not going to be the U.S. forces.

Q: To reflect any downstream foulups, who is going to go out and conduct (inaudible) with the various adversaries, saying, in effect, look guys, we've got a main group coming around here. So rather than foul up, we have to come up with an operational agreement, how things are going to run.

A: Oh, yes, and that's exactly what I was talking about. One of the responsibilities of the U.S. forces as they carry out this mission will be to coordinate with the civilian leadership as well as with civilian organizations that are carrying out the humanitarian mission. There is a very elaborate plan that is normally put into place in these kinds of operations that involve frequent meetings, daily meetings, sometimes multiple meetings daily which deal with exactly what you're talking about. Because I think that the people who worked on the agreement in Dayton realized that the opportunities for misinformation and for misunderstanding were great, and they built into the plan a mechanism to air grievances on the parts of the various factions that have signed the agreement.

Does anybody else have anything else on Bosnia?

Q: I have a question on the Okinawa situation, wondering whether you have any more detailed information about whether that investigation...

A: I understand that the investigation has been stopped by the authorities there, and that the woman who was involved has dropped the charges. Beyond that, I would ask you to check with the authorities to get further details.

Q: Anything new on the replacement for Macke?

A: I have no further information on that one at this point.

Q: Has Secretary Perry given the President a recommendation for signing the defense appropriations bill?

A: I can't answer the question. One of the reasons I can't is because you know we don't normally share the communications that go on between the Secretary and the President. We'll keep those private.

Press: Thank you.

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