Player Embed Code: <iframe width='500' height='300' scrolling='no' frameborder='0' style='border: none; overflow: hidden; width: 500px; height: 300px;' allowtransparency='true' src='https://www.dvidshub.net/video/embed/880297'></iframe> Download Embed Share Fireside Chat: Using Laws and Norms to Govern Cyber Defense.gov April 19, 2023 | 40:40 Former Deputy Staff Judge Advocate, U.S. Cyber Command, Mr. Kurt Sanger, Marine Corps. retired Lt. Col., , is joined by Mr. Jim Lewis of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, for a fireside chat on using laws and norms to govern cyber.