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Pentagon Press Secretary John F. Kirby Holds an Off-Camera Press Briefing

PRESS SECRETARY JOHN F. KIRBY: Everybody. Okay. Just a couple things at the top.

This morning, Secretary Austin, Deputy Secretary Hicks and acting undersecretary of personnel and readiness joined the secretary of veterans’ affairs, the Honorable Denis McDonough, and other V.A. leaders and a small group of advocates and survivors to participate in a survivor and advocate roundtable on sexual assault and sexual harassment. During the meeting, the group discussed priorities, efforts and recommendations as part of the development and implementation of the Independent Review Commission roadmap. This is, I think, their third engagement with this group of survivors. This is something that the group, that they've been trying to stay in touch with as we move from the very beginning of the IRC all the way through the end, so it was a chance to touch base with them again now that the IRC recommendations are complete, and listen to them and their input, and to read out to them where the department's thinking is on this.

Today, we will also host a delegation from the government of Iraq for the next iteration of the U.S.-Iraq military technical talks as part of the U.S.-Iraq strategic dialogue. The meetings will discuss the long-term U.S.-Iraq security cooperation partnership and areas for cooperation beyond counterterrorism, and we'll, of course, give a full readout of the meeting when it's over.

And with that, I think we'll start with Bob on the phone here.

Q: Yes. Thanks, John.

I actually do have a question about the Iraq talks. My question is, you know, the last time there was, I think, the last Iraq-U.S. strategic dialogue in April, there was a joint statement put out afterwards that said that now that U.S. and coalition forces had transitioned to training and advising, that the -- this would allow for what they said was the redeployment of any remaining combat forces from Iraq, with the timing to be established in upcoming technical talks, which may be exactly what you were referring to there. And my question is, has there been any additional clarity on that timing? And does Secretary Austin wish there to be, let's say, more clarity and a -- a firm timetable for withdrawing from Iraq?


MR. KIRBY: Yeah, Bob.

We are talking about -- we're talking with the Iraqis over the course of the next couple of days about a whole host of issues, and certainly, you can expect that one of those issues is, of course, the American military footprint in Iraq and the missions that we're conducting inside Iraq. I won't get ahead of those discussions. I do think you can expect that at the conclusion of the dialogue, there will be a public statement, as there has been in the past. And as I said we'll give a readout from today's meetings, as well. I don't know how detailed that will be in terms of a timeline for the eventual departure of U.S. troops.

I think it's important to remember that we are there at the invitation of the Iraqi government. This was -- this -- this mission, which was focused on ISIS, was never intended to be permanent, and I think everybody has always understood that there would be a time when there would no longer be a need for U.S. combat forces inside Iraq. And what that looks like going forward, again, these talks are part of that process, and I simply don't -- won't be able to get ahead of decisions that haven't yet been made. 

But -- we're obviously in close consultation with our Iraqi partners about what we're doing and the mission against ISIS, how that's going, and of course, thinking about what the future would look like.

Q: A follow-up question is, is it your intention to establish more clarity during this week's talks, or is this the beginning of a longer-term dialogue?

MR. KIRBY: Again, I don't want to get ahead of talks that haven't been completed. We're -- we're certainly looking at these talks as additional opportunities in the process to discuss what the future will look like.

Q: Thank you.

MR. KIRBY: Okay. In here? Court?

Q: On that, has the Biden administration's viewpoint changed? I mean, is it still the intention of the administration to maintain U.S. military combat troops in Iraq or -- I mean, I know there's these ongoing reviews, so is that still the hope, that the same footprint or even a larger footprint will -- where are you -- where is that coming from?

MR. KIRBY: No -- Courtney, I mean, the hope is that we can, you know, rid ourselves and rid the region of the threat that ISIS poses. And there's been a lot of good work done in the last several years on greatly diminishing that threat. That's -- that's what we're there for and that's what we're hoping for.

Our presence there, again, is at the invitation of the Iraqi government and what that looks like going forward is something that we're going to decide with our Iraqi partners. So if and it's -- not about a desire to have a presence or not to have a presence, it's a desire, in concert with our Iraqi partners, to eradicate the threat that ISIS poses, and -- and that's what these discussions are all about. It's examining the threat, examining what we're doing, the operations, and what it needs to look like going forward, commensurate with the status of ISIS inside Iraq.

Q: And then one -- one other thing --


MR. KIRBY: Hang -- hang on just a second.

Q: What is the department's intent about media access to the Afghans who are going to Fort Lee?

MR. KIRBY: I would refer to you -- to the State Department for that, Courtney. That it's a -- the -- the media posture for the relocation of these individuals and their families is not something that the Department of Defense is going to be responsible for. That's -- that's really for the State Department to speak to.

Yeah -- yeah, Joe?

Q: Yeah, thank you so much.

Yeah, I had a question on Afghanistan. I wanted to ask (inaudible) yesterday. What -- what's the current assessment of the Pentagon of Pakistan's role inside Afghanistan? And have you seen any evidence that the Pakistani Air Force has helped Taliban in gaining grounds, especially in the Kandahar Province?

MR. KIRBY: I'm not going to speak for operational details here, Joe, you know that, and we -- we've talked about this before. The -- we -- we recognize that Pakistan has a stake in a stable, secure Afghanistan, the long border there, and we've long recognized that the border between those two countries has been used in the past as safe haven for some of these terrorist groups, including the Taliban, and that the Pakistani people themselves have fallen victim to terrorist attacks that have emanated from that border region.

So our message to the Pakistanis has remained consistent, that -- that we we recognize we have shared interests here, common interests in not allowing for those safe havens, and -- and we continue to talk to the Pakistanis about ways that, collectively, all of us can -- can see an improvement there.

But as for what the Pakistanis are doing or are not doing and operationally, that's something that they should speak to, not -- not us.

Q: Sorry, but you can't say if they are playing a positive or a negative role now -- right now --

MR. KIRBY: What I can tell you is that we -- we have had discussions with Pakistan about ways in which they can be helpful in terms of helping secure that border and contributing to a more stable and more secure future for Afghanistan.

Q: Yeah, but Pakistan's support to the Taliban (inaudible), which he has said, is helping Taliban get control -- ground control of -- now they have control of 200 districts. Isn't it impacting your mission in Afghanistan?

MR. KIRBY: Well, our mission in Afghanistan is to complete this drawdown and to get to a point where our force presence is designed to protect our diplomats and our diplomatic mission. That's our mission in Afghanistan.

And again, I think we've been very candid and forthcoming about the challenges along that border, and I think the Pakistani people, they understand the threat that they're under, too, and the need to -- to not allow for there to be safe haven there.

Yes, Wafaa? How's your finger?


Q: Yes, I have to keep it for a few days.

Back to the strategic dialogue, you said that the meetings will discuss area of cooperation beyond concert -- counter-terrorism. Can you explain this, especially that the mission in Iraq is to defeat ISIS, its counter-terrorism mission?

MR. KIRBY: Yeah, the military mission in Iraq is aligned against ISIS but we also have a bilateral relationship with Iraq that doesn't just exist in a security environment, and I think that's what the strategic dialogue is trying to get at.

Q: And are you going to discuss specific security measures that the government of Iraq, the Iraqi Forces need to take to secure the bases -- military bases where the U.S. is being, like, targeted by militia backed by Iran?

MR. KIRBY: I think we'll be talking about a range of security issues. I'm not going to get ahead of the the discussions, but to your point -- and we've said this before -- we take the safety and security of our people in Iraq very, very seriously. The President has proven on numerous occasions now that he's willing to take action to try to bolster that force protection and he certainly reserves the right as Commander in Chief to do it again, if need be. And -- and I think our Iraqi partners well understand that.


Q: Hey, good morning, sir.

After he took office in January, the Secretary (inaudible) zero-based reviews of about 40 advisory committees and boards. What's the status of those reviews, sir?

MR. KIRBY: They -- we -- largely, the committee-level work has been completed and -- and we are examining those committee recommendations -- the Secretary is -- to determine how he wants to move forward.

I don't have any specific announcements to make today but I do think you'll start to see us be able to communicate in -- with -- in more detail very soon about what those -- what -- what boards are going to be reconstituted and -- how they're going to be both chaired and populated.

I don't want to get ahead, again, of the Secretary's decisions. I think in general, now that the committee work is done -- I mean, I can certainly, in general, point to the fact that some of the major boards, like the Defense Policy Board, the Defense Science Board, the Defense Business Board, Health and Innovation Boards -- I mean, they -- will be reconstituted. But the -- as for -- you know, beyond that, I'd really rather not get ahead of -- again, of the Secretary's decision space.

I didn't go to anybody on the phone here. Stephen Losey?

Q: Hi. Thank you.

My question has to do with the assassination in Haiti and the DOD's statement that some of the suspected people involved had received training from the U.S. military. Has there been anything in addition that the Defense Department has learned about potentially how many people, what -- what kind of training, things like that? And also, are those -- is that discovery and what happened in Haiti prompting the DOD to perhaps reevaluate or reconsider how it trains foreign militaries, or how it vets those who participate?

MR. KIRBY: So I think what we can confirm is thus far, we've identified seven individuals who were former members of the Colombian military that had received some sort of training and education, U.S.-funded and provided education and training. Some of it was under State Department funding and authorities, and some of -- some of the training was under DOD, Department of Defense-funded training.

But to you give an example of some of them that we've identified -- and -- and this isn't by individual. I'm not going to get into speaking to individuals, but cadet leadership development, counter-drug operations, noncommissioned officer professional development, small-unit leadership training, human rights training, emergency medical training, some helicopter maintenance training and those kinds of things -- all things that are very common. We train thousands of individuals, particularly from militaries in the Western hemisphere over the -- over the course of a given year, all training that is basic military and leadership training, as I just cited. And those examples I gave are actual examples of training we know that these seven individuals got -- nothing, certainly, related at all -- or -- or that one could extrapolate, you know, as leading to or encouraging of what happened in -- in Haiti. And I know of no plans right now, as a result of what happened in Haiti, for us to reconsider or to change this very valuable, ethical leadership training that we continue to provide to -- to partners in the Western hemisphere and to partners around the world.

Q: Is it correct that some of them were -- were trained at Fort Polk, or were some people trained elsewhere, or --

MR. KIRBY: I don't have the details of exactly where all this training went. You're talking about seven individuals over the course of their time in the -- in the Colombian military, and I just, I don't have the details of every base at which every training seminar was held, and frankly, I'm not really sure the relevance of that level of detail anyway.

Q: But no changes in the works.

MR. KIRBY: Sylvie?

Q: Hello. I had a question about Somalia. There was a strike against Al-Shabaab in Somalia this week, and I wanted to know if it was authorized by the White House, or if the -- if President Biden lift the instruction to always go through the White -- the White House to -- before striking Somalia.

MR. KIRBY: The strike that we've -- that -- that we're -- you're talking about, Sylvie, was ordered by General Townsend under his existing authorities to act in -- in the defense of our Somali partners, who were under attack by Al-Shabaab. He had all -- he had the authorities to do this. He ordered this on his own. You know, he ordered this under his own authority to do so, and he didn't need to -- to ask permission to -- to conduct that strike.

Q: But in March, you told us that all the strikes that were ordered outside Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria had to go through the White House.

MR. KIRBY: What I can tell you is that General Townsend had the authority to order this strike, and -- and he used those authorities to do so, and those -authorities have existed for -- for General Townsend, and I'm not -- you know, I -- I think -- I think I'll just leave it there.


Q: On the Iraq talks, given the relationship between the presence in Syria and the presence in Iraq, is there a -- is that part of these talks, how a tweak or a change to the footprint in Iraq might affect the footprint in Syria, or is that a consideration for DOD as these move forward? And then separately, do you know the number of Delta variant breakthrough cases amongst DOD vaccinated personnel?

MR. KIRBY: I don't have a number on the Delta variant cases here. Let me see if we can get you a better idea. We do know that there are -- there are Delta cases inside the DOD population. I just don't have the exact number.

I'm sorry, and your first question was about Syria?

Q: Essentially, how does the conversation in Iraq and the strategic dialogue, how could that affect, and -- and is it part of the conversation about it could affect the footprint in Syria? (inaudible) --

MR. KIRBY: I mean, as you know -- again, I don't want to get ahead of talks that are ongoing here and where it's going to go. But as you know, the -- the missions are very -- they're very linked because we knew when ISIS stood up in 2014, or when they got -- when they were on the move in 2014, they were using Syria as a staging/logistics/ recruiting/training ground for much of their operations inside Iraq. So -- it's all -- I mean, there -- there is a linkage there under Operation Inherent Resolve.

What -- what decisions might come out of these talks that could affect the footprint in Syria, I just don't know. But, you know, but clearly, the fight against ISIS continues, and --and how it's going to look, you know, in -- in future months, I think, is just unknown right now. We're going to be continuing to talk to the Iraqis about our presence there, and about what makes the most sense for the threat that ISIS poses, and just as importantly, what makes the most sense for our Iraqi partners, because we're there at their invitation.


Q: Thanks. On Afghanistan, SIGAR yesterday put out a report on ANDSF's fuel with -- alleging that about half of it has been stolen, and without enough fuel, ANDSF operations will come to a grinding halt. First, does DOD have any reaction to this ongoing issue? And going forward, does DOD or groups like DLA or anyone else expect to provide logistical support for fuel, spare parts, that sort of thing, in Afghanistan?

MR. KIRBY: Yeah, I don't have -- I don't have anything on that report. I haven't seen it. So let me see if we have an official department reaction to that. I just haven't seen it, and I wouldn't want to speculate.

But broadly speaking, as the secretary said, our commitment to the ANDSF will continue after the drawdown is complete in a largely financial and logistical support component. Now what -- what piece of that is fuel, I just don't know, and I don't know that we have that all ironed out right now. But our support to the ANSF -- ANDSF will continue in terms of helping them have the logistical and maintenance capability to continue defending their country.

And again, I just have to -- let me take a look at this report and see what it says. I just -- I don't know.


Q: John, going back to the airstrike in Somalia, there have been other times when partner forces have come into contact with al-Shabaab and airstrikes had not been authorized. What was -- what made this particular incident rise to that occasion and does it augur for more instances where U.S. drones or other aircraft will come in support of Somali forces on the ground?

MR. KIRBY: Yeah, I -- I won't speak for General Townsend and the calculus that he used to come -- to make this decision. Again, it was -- he ordered it, he had the authority to do it, and I think I'd rather refer -- defer to him in terms of whatever thought process he's willing to share. It was done, I think as I said, at his level.

And as for the future, clearly I won't speculate about what potential operations could occur in the -- in the future but he does have the authority to act in defense of our forces and our Somali partners, if he feels that he needs to do that. He has the authority and has the capability and -- and I think, you know, we'll just -- I -- I wouldn't want to get ahead of that.

It does underscore the threat that Al-Shabaab poses in Somalia and -- and certainly the Horn of Africa, and -- and that -- that threat remains significant and we're -- we're going to continue to be vigilant about it.

Jeff Schogol?

Q: Thank you. Has the U.S. military conducted any airstrikes around Kandahar recently? I'm seeing tweets that possibly some Navy FA-18s have launched attacks to stop the Taliban from taking the city.

MR. KIRBY: Without speaking to specifics, Jeff, I can say that -- that in the last several days, we have acted through airstrikes to -- to support the ANDSF but I -- I won't get into tactical details of those strikes.

But we continue to be able to and we continue to, as the Secretary said yesterday, conduct airstrikes in support of the ANDSF. General McKenzie has those authorities.

Q: Well, if I could follow up, the DOD did announce an airstrike in Somalia. Why not just say what's going on in Afghanistan?

MR. KIRBY: We didn't announce an airstrike in Somalia, Jeff, we were asked a question and we answered it.


MR. KIRBY: I -- as I said and as the Secretary said yesterday, we have, in recent days, conducted strikes in support of the ANDSF. We're not going to get into specific details about them.

Yes, ma'am?

Q: How many troops do you have in Syria now?

MR. KIRBY: I'll get you the firm number. I don't have it off the top of my head. It's -- as I understand it, it's still less than 1,000 but we can -- we can try to pull you a more specific number.

Q: Thank you. Russia and Ethiopia --

MR. KIRBY: I'm sorry?

Q: Russia and Ethiopia last week signed a military cooperation agreement. Do you have any concern regarding that?

MR. KIRBY: Who? I'm sorry, I could not understand you.

Q: Russia and Ethiopia signed a military agreement last week -- Russia and Ethiopia.

MR. KIRBY: Okay, Russia and Ethiopia.

Q: Yeah. Do you have any comment on that?

MR. KIRBY: I'm not familiar with that agreement. I don't want to speculate or comment on it. I have not seen that agreement. Yeah, I'm sorry.

Yeah, in the back there?

Q: Hi, John. Just to bring it back to Iraq, can you tell us which Iraqi officials are participating in that current discussions ahead of Prime Minister Al-Kadhimi's visit?

MR. KIRBY: I don't think I have that list, do I, Jess. We should be able to get it to you, though, I just don't have that --


Q: -- just to follow up on this, you mentioned, you know, it's always been understood that combat troops will eventually no longer be needed. Do you have a rough estimate of how many U.S. combat troops are actually in Iraq right now?

MR. KIRBY: I think what we said -- the -- the number's roughly around 2,500.

Q: Right, but aren't they considered advisors under OIR?

MR. KIRBY: They are -- they are -- the mission is -- is largely advice and assistance.

Q: Okay. Do you have any -- any rough idea of what percentage or --

MR. KIRBY: I can't break that down more than that, no.

Okay, thanks.

Q: Thank you.