1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,129 committees in order . We will now 2 00:00:02,129 --> 00:00:05,390 proceed . Uh , I'm gonna give everybody 3 00:00:05,390 --> 00:00:07,840 about another . There are a couple of 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,380 minutes to get their video and take a 5 00:00:10,380 --> 00:00:13,040 deep breath . Get yourself organized 6 00:00:13,040 --> 00:00:16,560 and we will take up Mr Lamborn in 7 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,850 about 120 seconds . 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,740 Start counting , Doug . We'll be good 9 00:00:22,740 --> 00:00:26,440 to go . So I don't know . I thought 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,607 that worked out pretty well . I'm kind 11 00:00:28,607 --> 00:00:32,170 of pleased with the prior planning . So 12 00:00:32,170 --> 00:00:34,337 the first question to all the generals 13 00:00:34,337 --> 00:00:36,392 is what are the three ? What are the 14 00:00:36,392 --> 00:00:39,990 five p stand for ? Prior 15 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,360 planning ? Prevents . 16 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,160 Okay . Blank performance . 17 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,460 Keep in mind that we have a good 18 00:00:49,460 --> 00:00:52,860 audience here . Okay , Um , 19 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,140 we're going to go at it . I'm watching 20 00:00:57,140 --> 00:00:59,470 my clock . I'm anxious to get going 21 00:00:59,470 --> 00:01:01,581 here , so But I'm gonna wait the full 22 00:01:01,581 --> 00:01:03,192 other one more minute . Doug 23 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,696 in order , Doug Lamborn has the next 24 00:01:43,696 --> 00:01:46,560 set of questions . All right , Mr 25 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,390 German . And , uh , thank you for each 26 00:01:49,390 --> 00:01:51,850 of the Panelists for being here today . 27 00:01:51,860 --> 00:01:54,170 As I mentioned in my statement , I 28 00:01:54,170 --> 00:01:56,600 believe that we need to develop more 29 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,780 ways to increase the supply of young 30 00:01:58,780 --> 00:02:01,240 people joining the skilled labor market 31 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,740 to meet these future demands . Not 32 00:02:04,740 --> 00:02:06,740 everybody needs a four year college 33 00:02:06,740 --> 00:02:08,907 degree , but our nation needs more men 34 00:02:08,907 --> 00:02:10,962 and women who are working in skilled 35 00:02:10,962 --> 00:02:12,907 trades . So what are your services 36 00:02:12,907 --> 00:02:15,940 doing on this front and General Gamble ? 37 00:02:15,940 --> 00:02:17,490 I believe you mentioned an 38 00:02:17,490 --> 00:02:19,546 apprenticeship program . We'll start 39 00:02:19,546 --> 00:02:23,090 with you , Congressman . Thanks for 40 00:02:23,090 --> 00:02:25,410 your question . I think our one of our 41 00:02:25,410 --> 00:02:28,260 best examples is asking Army Depot . 42 00:02:28,740 --> 00:02:31,270 I called it apprenticeship program . I 43 00:02:31,270 --> 00:02:33,270 think they've officially called the 44 00:02:33,270 --> 00:02:35,900 internship program . Uh , the Anniston 45 00:02:35,900 --> 00:02:37,789 Army Depot High School internship 46 00:02:37,789 --> 00:02:40,110 program I personally visited . I 47 00:02:40,110 --> 00:02:42,630 believe you have as well . Um , it's 48 00:02:42,630 --> 00:02:45,060 where they take high school students to 49 00:02:45,060 --> 00:02:48,880 help them gain skilled trades , not and 50 00:02:48,890 --> 00:02:50,834 feed our knowledgeable workforce . 51 00:02:50,834 --> 00:02:52,890 They're recruited from high school , 52 00:02:52,890 --> 00:02:55,160 not only immediately , but from a 55 53 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,050 mile radius of Army Anniston . Army 54 00:02:58,060 --> 00:03:01,010 Depot . Uh , so , uh , you know , a 55 00:03:01,010 --> 00:03:03,177 pretty broad program . They're focused 56 00:03:03,177 --> 00:03:06,460 on Allied trades , things that you said 57 00:03:06,470 --> 00:03:09,850 skills that they can use for a career . 58 00:03:09,860 --> 00:03:11,860 They also have something called the 59 00:03:11,860 --> 00:03:13,860 Pathways Program . It's a three way 60 00:03:13,860 --> 00:03:15,971 face program that helps in terms move 61 00:03:15,971 --> 00:03:18,470 from high school to technical tuition 62 00:03:18,470 --> 00:03:21,360 assistance . So again , extracurricular 63 00:03:21,370 --> 00:03:24,930 to the depot , but providing a pathway 64 00:03:24,940 --> 00:03:27,060 for high school students to get 65 00:03:27,070 --> 00:03:29,860 advanced training in the public sector 66 00:03:29,870 --> 00:03:32,530 and then move non competitively to 67 00:03:32,530 --> 00:03:35,280 convert a position working for the 68 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,960 government , and that that conversion 69 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,071 is based on space availability . It's 70 00:03:40,071 --> 00:03:42,380 not . The program falls short of get 71 00:03:42,380 --> 00:03:44,530 guaranteeing them a slot . Frankly , 72 00:03:44,530 --> 00:03:48,400 I'm not sure we need to . A permanent 73 00:03:48,410 --> 00:03:50,930 assure position is a positive thing , 74 00:03:50,940 --> 00:03:53,910 because , like many of other programs 75 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,210 that the Army runs , uh , it feeds 76 00:03:56,210 --> 00:03:58,550 local community as well as feeding our 77 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,782 our workforce . And the last thing that 78 00:04:00,782 --> 00:04:04,210 Aniston does the third of three is 79 00:04:04,210 --> 00:04:06,210 educational community partnership . 80 00:04:06,210 --> 00:04:09,170 It's an agreement that's it's based on 81 00:04:09,170 --> 00:04:11,170 developing opportunities with local 82 00:04:11,170 --> 00:04:13,690 colleges , provide for integration of 83 00:04:13,690 --> 00:04:15,912 students , academic studies and provide 84 00:04:15,912 --> 00:04:19,200 on the job experience that that repeats 85 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:20,930 itself all the way from Kaiser 86 00:04:20,930 --> 00:04:23,160 Slaughter Germany in one of our 87 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,000 industrial facilities in Germany , all 88 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,250 the way to Rock Island , Illinois . But 89 00:04:28,260 --> 00:04:30,260 I just illuminated Aniston . We can 90 00:04:30,260 --> 00:04:32,204 provide details more comprehensive 91 00:04:32,204 --> 00:04:34,760 paper , if you like certain . Okay , 92 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:36,816 I'd like to hear from the Navy , Air 93 00:04:36,816 --> 00:04:38,982 Force and Marines on this same issue . 94 00:04:40,940 --> 00:04:44,730 Yeah , uh , I'll jump in on this , 95 00:04:44,740 --> 00:04:46,880 uh , so at the at the four public 96 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,991 shipyards , uh , you know , we have a 97 00:04:48,991 --> 00:04:51,213 very active apprenticeship program It's 98 00:04:51,213 --> 00:04:53,340 a four year program that we recruit 99 00:04:53,340 --> 00:04:55,396 people into , uh , from the from the 100 00:04:55,396 --> 00:04:57,670 local communities . We've got , uh , 101 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,350 partnerships in place , generally with 102 00:05:00,350 --> 00:05:02,680 the local community colleges . So it's 103 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,590 an opportunity for the , uh , the 104 00:05:04,590 --> 00:05:06,757 apprenticeships to earn an associate's 105 00:05:06,757 --> 00:05:08,923 degree along the way . Uh , you know , 106 00:05:08,923 --> 00:05:10,757 and then once we get them in the 107 00:05:10,757 --> 00:05:12,923 shipyard , each shipyard has their own 108 00:05:12,923 --> 00:05:15,700 learning center established , and you 109 00:05:15,700 --> 00:05:17,867 know it . You know , use Portsmouth as 110 00:05:17,867 --> 00:05:19,978 an example where they actually have a 111 00:05:19,978 --> 00:05:21,922 mock up of a compartment onboard a 112 00:05:21,922 --> 00:05:24,033 submarine , uh , that they would take 113 00:05:24,033 --> 00:05:26,200 whether it be a pipefitter or maybe an 114 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,422 insulator , an electrician in , uh , to 115 00:05:28,422 --> 00:05:30,589 allow them to essentially kind of work 116 00:05:30,589 --> 00:05:32,756 through a work package , if you will , 117 00:05:32,756 --> 00:05:34,867 before they actually go and do that , 118 00:05:35,540 --> 00:05:37,651 you know , transmit and , uh , and go 119 00:05:37,651 --> 00:05:39,373 down to the , uh , down to the 120 00:05:39,373 --> 00:05:41,596 submarine . Uh , we also each yard also 121 00:05:41,596 --> 00:05:43,651 has its own , uh , you know , within 122 00:05:43,651 --> 00:05:45,984 those learning centers , their own , uh , 123 00:05:45,984 --> 00:05:48,096 skills areas where , uh , we train on 124 00:05:48,096 --> 00:05:50,400 on welding or electrical , uh , or or 125 00:05:50,410 --> 00:05:52,660 ship fitting metal work and whatnot . 126 00:05:52,670 --> 00:05:55,260 So , um , we do a lot of that . The 127 00:05:55,260 --> 00:05:57,149 other thing that we've we've also 128 00:05:57,149 --> 00:06:00,030 recently done is yeah . We've executed 129 00:06:00,030 --> 00:06:02,030 Inter inter agency agreement to the 130 00:06:02,030 --> 00:06:05,340 pilot with the , uh , the new opium US 131 00:06:05,340 --> 00:06:07,673 A . Learning tool , which is , you know , 132 00:06:07,673 --> 00:06:09,618 is the , uh , you know , kind of a 133 00:06:09,618 --> 00:06:11,784 modern i t platform for for training . 134 00:06:11,784 --> 00:06:13,896 Um , that really allows us to kind of 135 00:06:13,896 --> 00:06:16,007 open up and make it available to even 136 00:06:16,007 --> 00:06:18,284 more people . Uh , inside the shipyard , 137 00:06:18,284 --> 00:06:20,451 these training opportunities , Uh , so 138 00:06:20,451 --> 00:06:22,396 that's available to folks that are 139 00:06:22,396 --> 00:06:24,618 going through that four year apprentice 140 00:06:24,618 --> 00:06:26,729 program that I talked to as well as , 141 00:06:26,729 --> 00:06:28,673 uh , as others . Um , And then the 142 00:06:28,673 --> 00:06:30,784 other thing that we've got within the 143 00:06:30,784 --> 00:06:33,190 shipyard is a kind of an an assessment 144 00:06:33,190 --> 00:06:35,350 process Where , uh , you know , the 145 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,360 supervisors can you know if they if 146 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,138 they identify , uh , you know , 147 00:06:39,138 --> 00:06:41,304 shipmate that maybe , you know , needs 148 00:06:41,304 --> 00:06:43,471 a little bit more work in a particular 149 00:06:43,471 --> 00:06:45,693 area or whatever . There's a process to 150 00:06:45,693 --> 00:06:47,749 kind of send them back through Maybe 151 00:06:47,749 --> 00:06:50,027 just a particular part of the training . 152 00:06:50,027 --> 00:06:51,860 Um , that allows them to kind of 153 00:06:51,860 --> 00:06:54,027 refresh that skill set that maybe they 154 00:06:54,027 --> 00:06:53,630 might be , uh , maybe a little bit 155 00:06:53,630 --> 00:06:55,741 lacking on . So those are some of the 156 00:06:55,741 --> 00:06:58,019 things that we're doing . But you know , 157 00:06:58,019 --> 00:07:00,130 the the apprenticeship , uh , program 158 00:07:00,130 --> 00:07:02,352 that we have that all four shipyards in 159 00:07:02,352 --> 00:07:04,519 the Learning Center are absolutely key 160 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:04,440 and foundational to the way we train 161 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,662 our workforce . Thank you . Thank you . 162 00:07:07,140 --> 00:07:09,460 Sure . Some Marines . You have similar 163 00:07:09,470 --> 00:07:12,770 options going or or a Navy air ? Uh , 164 00:07:12,780 --> 00:07:15,110 it's our naval aviation Similar 165 00:07:15,110 --> 00:07:18,260 apprenticeship program . 270 currently 166 00:07:18,270 --> 00:07:20,540 in that apprenticeship program . And , 167 00:07:20,540 --> 00:07:22,800 uh , we're using it to try to build 168 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,050 loyalty to the depot . So the once we 169 00:07:25,050 --> 00:07:26,994 train these folks , they don't get 170 00:07:26,994 --> 00:07:30,220 pulled away by someone else over Air 171 00:07:30,220 --> 00:07:32,960 Force Marines , Anything to add . Mr . 172 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,127 Lamborn , this is Air Force similar to 173 00:07:35,127 --> 00:07:37,180 the other services . We continue to 174 00:07:37,190 --> 00:07:39,079 bolster and expand our vocational 175 00:07:39,079 --> 00:07:41,246 partnerships with the states . And the 176 00:07:41,246 --> 00:07:43,079 regions they use are forecast to 177 00:07:43,079 --> 00:07:44,968 prioritize the training . We have 178 00:07:44,968 --> 00:07:47,079 internships and apprenticeships which 179 00:07:47,079 --> 00:07:49,412 bring them in . Similar to Vice Admiral , 180 00:07:49,412 --> 00:07:51,880 We , uh , desperate loyalty . We tend 181 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,991 to hire those as well . So we're also 182 00:07:53,991 --> 00:07:56,102 expanding our educational partnership 183 00:07:56,102 --> 00:07:58,047 agreements with higher education . 184 00:07:58,047 --> 00:08:00,260 We've got those Utah , Oklahoma and 185 00:08:00,260 --> 00:08:02,371 Georgia . Now they are very effective 186 00:08:02,371 --> 00:08:04,550 to get that stem workforce we need for 187 00:08:04,550 --> 00:08:06,980 our engineering workforce . And the 188 00:08:06,980 --> 00:08:08,980 third component would be innovation 189 00:08:08,980 --> 00:08:11,202 centers in each of our location to give 190 00:08:11,202 --> 00:08:13,369 you one example . Here . I'm in Middle 191 00:08:13,369 --> 00:08:15,536 Georgia this week . The problems . Air 192 00:08:15,536 --> 00:08:17,480 Force Patient and on Monday , with 193 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:17,210 Congressman Scott's help , we're going 194 00:08:17,210 --> 00:08:19,432 to cut the ribbon on a new facility for 195 00:08:19,432 --> 00:08:21,266 our software team . But it has a 196 00:08:21,266 --> 00:08:23,210 dedicated classroom for local high 197 00:08:23,210 --> 00:08:25,210 school students to come into to get 198 00:08:25,210 --> 00:08:27,432 mentored and instructed . And so we see 199 00:08:27,432 --> 00:08:29,660 those folks as a future employees over 200 00:08:34,140 --> 00:08:36,490 sir on on the Marine Corps Front . Very 201 00:08:36,490 --> 00:08:38,980 same thing I would just second the 202 00:08:38,980 --> 00:08:40,900 Pathways program . We use that 203 00:08:40,900 --> 00:08:43,740 extensively , especially in the depot 204 00:08:43,740 --> 00:08:46,300 for welders , painters and heavy 205 00:08:46,300 --> 00:08:48,411 mechanics . Heavy vehicle mechanics . 206 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,880 Um , look into the future , though we 207 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,340 have to make sure that we're zeroing in 208 00:08:53,340 --> 00:08:54,951 on C four i type equipment , 209 00:08:54,951 --> 00:08:57,500 electronics , coders , those types of 210 00:08:57,500 --> 00:09:00,450 things . So we work closely with high 211 00:09:00,450 --> 00:09:02,617 schools on internship programs through 212 00:09:02,617 --> 00:09:04,672 pathways and then also our community 213 00:09:04,672 --> 00:09:07,200 colleges , namely Albany Tech here 214 00:09:07,210 --> 00:09:09,900 within southwest Georgia . I think 215 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:12,200 that's certainly worth many . Okay , 216 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,200 very good . Well , I'm glad to hear 217 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:16,200 from each of you that you're making 218 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,650 concrete steps to accomplish that goal . 219 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,260 Uh , this is a question for the army . 220 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,418 Both the Air Force and the Navy 221 00:09:23,420 --> 00:09:26,300 received carers act funding to increase 222 00:09:26,310 --> 00:09:29,380 cash balances last year to offset the 223 00:09:29,380 --> 00:09:32,500 impact of COVID . Since the Army didn't 224 00:09:32,500 --> 00:09:35,150 get those cash funds . How is army 225 00:09:35,150 --> 00:09:38,660 dealing with that ? That funding need ? 226 00:09:41,340 --> 00:09:43,340 Yeah . Thank you , sir . Thanks for 227 00:09:43,340 --> 00:09:45,900 your question . Um , so there's really 228 00:09:45,900 --> 00:09:48,122 two components . Is first , Is our army 229 00:09:48,122 --> 00:09:51,130 working capital funding ? Uh , and at 230 00:09:51,130 --> 00:09:53,297 the time , we honestly didn't think we 231 00:09:53,300 --> 00:09:55,790 We needed a cash infusion into the 232 00:09:55,790 --> 00:09:58,390 working capital fund , uh , to offset 233 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,600 the health and safety , leave the 234 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,240 increased cost of health and safety 235 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,184 leave because while we put someone 236 00:10:06,184 --> 00:10:08,073 leaves , you know , others worked 237 00:10:08,073 --> 00:10:10,140 overtime and longer hours to keep 238 00:10:10,150 --> 00:10:12,800 production running . The state of the 239 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,730 art cough today is we We have 240 00:10:14,730 --> 00:10:16,897 significant concerns out of the army , 241 00:10:16,897 --> 00:10:20,500 uh , to about the cash balance and Army , 242 00:10:20,500 --> 00:10:23,230 Working Capital Fund and General Daily 243 00:10:23,230 --> 00:10:25,500 are AMC Commanding General and our 244 00:10:25,510 --> 00:10:27,343 assistant second of the Army for 245 00:10:27,343 --> 00:10:29,232 Finance Management Controller are 246 00:10:29,232 --> 00:10:31,343 working and pulled and we call Poland 247 00:10:31,343 --> 00:10:35,070 levers . Right . We're taking action to 248 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,220 restore our cash pals . We do believe 249 00:10:38,230 --> 00:10:40,740 the army will need a cash infusion into 250 00:10:40,740 --> 00:10:43,280 the Working Capital fund later this 251 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,860 year . We estimate that to be between 252 00:10:45,860 --> 00:10:48,460 609 $100 million were working that 253 00:10:48,470 --> 00:10:51,950 inside the Army and with OSD . But 254 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,127 there's There's almost no doubt in our 255 00:10:54,127 --> 00:10:56,600 mind that in the next uh , 6 to 8 256 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,822 months , we will need a cash infusion , 257 00:10:58,822 --> 00:11:01,120 uh , to keep the Army working capital 258 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,810 fund solvent to the level where it can 259 00:11:03,810 --> 00:11:05,977 continue to produce the readiness that 260 00:11:05,977 --> 00:11:08,088 produces today . So today we're we're 261 00:11:08,088 --> 00:11:10,340 not in bad shape . We are concerned 262 00:11:10,340 --> 00:11:12,590 that we're watching it closely . All 263 00:11:12,590 --> 00:11:14,757 right . Thank you , Mr Chairman . Back 264 00:11:14,757 --> 00:11:16,960 to you . Thank you very much . Doug 265 00:11:17,900 --> 00:11:21,050 heads up to everybody . The next to 266 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,560 will be Courtney Wilson , Loria and 267 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:27,790 more . I think that's for so 268 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,120 Courtney Wilson Luria more in that 269 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,820 order . Joe , your turn . Go . Great . 270 00:11:33,830 --> 00:11:36,163 Thank you , John . And thank you , Doug , 271 00:11:36,163 --> 00:11:38,274 for holding this hearing into all the 272 00:11:38,274 --> 00:11:40,386 witnesses for , uh , you know , their 273 00:11:40,386 --> 00:11:42,497 testimony . A very important issue at 274 00:11:42,497 --> 00:11:44,663 Molina's . Um , it's good to see you . 275 00:11:44,663 --> 00:11:47,040 Last time in person was up in Maine , 276 00:11:47,050 --> 00:11:50,850 uh , minus zero temperatures . And 277 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,150 I want to again zero in on , you know , 278 00:11:54,150 --> 00:11:56,206 one aspect of your testimony , which 279 00:11:56,206 --> 00:11:57,983 again , first of all , there is 280 00:11:57,983 --> 00:12:00,094 universal agreement about the need to 281 00:12:00,094 --> 00:12:02,317 recapitalize all the public yards , and 282 00:12:02,317 --> 00:12:04,428 frankly , that's been the case on Ask 283 00:12:04,428 --> 00:12:06,706 for a number of years . And , you know , 284 00:12:06,706 --> 00:12:06,670 the PSYOP program , I think , sort of 285 00:12:06,670 --> 00:12:09,300 is somewhat , uh , evidence of that . 286 00:12:09,310 --> 00:12:12,040 And anything we can do , you know , to 287 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,160 enhance authorities to accelerate , 288 00:12:15,540 --> 00:12:18,180 um , that process and , um , you know , 289 00:12:18,180 --> 00:12:20,470 ensure that the turnaround for 290 00:12:20,470 --> 00:12:22,692 substance ships is going to improve . I 291 00:12:22,692 --> 00:12:24,859 mean , again , there's just across the 292 00:12:24,859 --> 00:12:27,026 board help having said that , I mean , 293 00:12:27,026 --> 00:12:29,380 it's pretty clear that we're not going 294 00:12:29,380 --> 00:12:32,060 to be there for a while . And , you 295 00:12:32,060 --> 00:12:34,282 know , a number of years ago we had the 296 00:12:34,282 --> 00:12:36,338 Congressional Budget Office . Take a 297 00:12:36,338 --> 00:12:38,504 look at the question of whether , um , 298 00:12:38,504 --> 00:12:40,393 private yards which sometimes get 299 00:12:40,393 --> 00:12:42,727 utilized , you know , for overflow work . 300 00:12:42,727 --> 00:12:45,260 Um , cost that much more in terms of 301 00:12:45,270 --> 00:12:48,290 per unit cost versus , uh , public 302 00:12:48,290 --> 00:12:50,360 yards . And CBOE came back with a 303 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,370 pretty , um , strong report that in 304 00:12:53,370 --> 00:12:55,840 fact , there is no disparity in terms 305 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,060 of cost in terms of using private yards , 306 00:12:59,060 --> 00:13:01,900 whether it's Newport News , E B , 307 00:13:01,900 --> 00:13:04,310 Pascagoula or whatever . And and so , 308 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,700 um , you know , first of all , you know , 309 00:13:07,710 --> 00:13:09,877 I just want to First of all , get your 310 00:13:09,877 --> 00:13:11,877 take in terms of whether or not you 311 00:13:11,877 --> 00:13:13,988 still regard sort of the one shipyard 312 00:13:13,988 --> 00:13:15,932 concept , which your predecessor a 313 00:13:15,932 --> 00:13:17,610 couple times removed at McCoy 314 00:13:17,610 --> 00:13:20,260 articulated and and really did try to 315 00:13:20,270 --> 00:13:23,900 plug in work when again there was an 316 00:13:23,900 --> 00:13:25,950 overflow as a way of dealing with 317 00:13:25,950 --> 00:13:27,900 backlog and also just obviously 318 00:13:27,900 --> 00:13:30,380 stabilizing the industrial base . Or 319 00:13:30,380 --> 00:13:32,380 whether or not you think that , you 320 00:13:32,380 --> 00:13:34,380 know , at this point , you you just 321 00:13:34,380 --> 00:13:37,460 want to go to a exclusively public yard 322 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,430 approach in terms of dealing with 323 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,300 repair and maintenance . Yes , sir . No 324 00:13:44,310 --> 00:13:46,366 represented Courtney . Thank you for 325 00:13:46,366 --> 00:13:48,532 that question . So what , I would tell 326 00:13:48,532 --> 00:13:48,240 you one of the things that we're doing 327 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,400 is part of the , uh uh , I mentioned 328 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,622 the Naval shipyard sustainment effort , 329 00:13:53,622 --> 00:13:55,733 but one of the key elements of that , 330 00:13:55,733 --> 00:13:57,789 because the development of a 15 year 331 00:13:57,789 --> 00:13:59,900 public sector maintenance plans . But 332 00:13:59,900 --> 00:14:02,011 this is all the work that we're doing 333 00:14:02,011 --> 00:14:04,289 inside the , uh , the public shipyards . 334 00:14:04,289 --> 00:14:06,344 And we're getting close to , uh , to 335 00:14:06,344 --> 00:14:08,511 finishing that up here within the next 336 00:14:08,511 --> 00:14:10,678 month or so . Um , and briefing that a 337 00:14:10,678 --> 00:14:12,900 baby . But , uh , I would tell you just 338 00:14:12,900 --> 00:14:14,956 my preliminary indications of this , 339 00:14:14,956 --> 00:14:16,789 And as I mentioned in my opening 340 00:14:16,789 --> 00:14:18,900 statement , um , you know , the psyop 341 00:14:18,900 --> 00:14:20,956 program is fundamental to what we're 342 00:14:20,956 --> 00:14:23,011 doing to build a productive capacity 343 00:14:23,011 --> 00:14:24,970 that we need inside our our public 344 00:14:24,970 --> 00:14:27,303 shipyards to do the nuclear maintenance . 345 00:14:27,303 --> 00:14:30,140 Even with that being said , I believe , 346 00:14:30,140 --> 00:14:32,362 you know , given the , uh , what we see 347 00:14:32,362 --> 00:14:34,307 is an increasing force structure , 348 00:14:34,307 --> 00:14:36,196 especially in the submarine force 349 00:14:36,196 --> 00:14:38,418 toward the end of the twenties and into 350 00:14:38,418 --> 00:14:40,584 the early thirties . Um , we are gonna 351 00:14:40,584 --> 00:14:42,980 need capacity in the private sector to 352 00:14:42,980 --> 00:14:45,740 do submarine repair work . Uh , and 353 00:14:45,740 --> 00:14:47,684 that's that's kind of just kind of 354 00:14:47,684 --> 00:14:49,907 initial . Take on on what I see in that 355 00:14:49,907 --> 00:14:52,073 coming out of that , that that study , 356 00:14:52,073 --> 00:14:54,296 that being said , um , to your point on 357 00:14:54,296 --> 00:14:56,240 the one shipyard concept , that is 358 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,050 absolutely true . And we typically , uh , 359 00:14:59,060 --> 00:15:00,949 you know , every day we're moving 360 00:15:00,949 --> 00:15:03,004 resources , uh , you know , from one 361 00:15:03,004 --> 00:15:05,171 yard to another to kind of balance the 362 00:15:05,171 --> 00:15:07,490 workload , Um , as we as we need need 363 00:15:07,490 --> 00:15:10,340 to do . So , um , we've got , uh we are 364 00:15:10,340 --> 00:15:12,620 taking a hard look at the work that we 365 00:15:12,620 --> 00:15:15,150 are doing inside the shipyards . Um , 366 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,216 and as I said , you know , in fact , 367 00:15:17,216 --> 00:15:19,438 that that that productive capacity that 368 00:15:19,438 --> 00:15:21,660 we're trying to build , um , what we're 369 00:15:21,660 --> 00:15:23,827 doing work inside of a public shipyard 370 00:15:23,827 --> 00:15:25,716 That maybe we could outsource the 371 00:15:25,716 --> 00:15:27,271 industry , so not an entire 372 00:15:27,271 --> 00:15:29,438 availability . But as you know , we we 373 00:15:29,438 --> 00:15:31,771 do a lot of work on rotate herbal pools . 374 00:15:31,771 --> 00:15:33,438 And , uh , and and , uh , and 375 00:15:33,438 --> 00:15:35,604 irreparable items , uh , you know , is 376 00:15:35,604 --> 00:15:37,327 that work ? Would that be more 377 00:15:37,327 --> 00:15:39,493 efficient to do that work , you know , 378 00:15:39,493 --> 00:15:41,716 outside and private industry . So , you 379 00:15:41,716 --> 00:15:41,530 know , maybe not in another private 380 00:15:41,530 --> 00:15:43,530 shipyard , but But there's a lot of 381 00:15:43,530 --> 00:15:45,808 good machine shops and , uh , you know , 382 00:15:45,808 --> 00:15:47,974 smaller businesses that could probably 383 00:15:47,974 --> 00:15:50,141 use some of that work . So that's also 384 00:15:50,141 --> 00:15:52,252 part of our strategy to increase that 385 00:15:52,252 --> 00:15:54,474 capacity . So , um , so those are those 386 00:15:54,474 --> 00:15:56,363 are a couple of things that we're 387 00:15:56,363 --> 00:15:58,474 looking at a 15 year plan . We've got 388 00:15:58,474 --> 00:15:57,810 to get that . I think that's 389 00:15:57,810 --> 00:15:59,810 fundamental to what we're doing and 390 00:15:59,810 --> 00:16:02,032 then looking for opportunities where we 391 00:16:02,032 --> 00:16:04,088 don't maybe necessarily outsource an 392 00:16:04,088 --> 00:16:06,199 entire availability . But some of the 393 00:16:06,199 --> 00:16:08,254 what we refer to as other productive 394 00:16:08,254 --> 00:16:10,032 work , as you know , inside the 395 00:16:10,032 --> 00:16:12,032 shipyards that we can , uh , we can 396 00:16:12,032 --> 00:16:14,088 outsource . And then , uh , And then 397 00:16:14,088 --> 00:16:16,143 just to keep the focus on the on the 398 00:16:16,143 --> 00:16:18,088 side up and the first part of your 399 00:16:18,088 --> 00:16:20,520 question on , um , on authorities , sir , 400 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,576 I think I have all the authorities I 401 00:16:22,576 --> 00:16:25,230 need right now to go and execute that , 402 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,690 uh , that psyop program . So thank you 403 00:16:27,690 --> 00:16:29,690 for that question , sir . Alright . 404 00:16:29,690 --> 00:16:31,690 Well , John , when the 15 year plan 405 00:16:31,690 --> 00:16:33,912 becomes available , I hope , you know , 406 00:16:33,912 --> 00:16:36,134 again , our subcommittee will will jump 407 00:16:36,134 --> 00:16:35,810 on that , because in some ways , it's 408 00:16:35,810 --> 00:16:37,754 almost as important as the 30 year 409 00:16:37,754 --> 00:16:40,320 shipbuilding plan . Um , and I applaud 410 00:16:40,330 --> 00:16:42,608 the fact that Nazi is going that route . 411 00:16:42,608 --> 00:16:44,830 I'll yield back . Yes , sir . Thank you 412 00:16:44,830 --> 00:16:46,941 very much , Mr Courtney . We now turn 413 00:16:46,941 --> 00:16:49,810 to Mr Wilson's thank you . Chairman 414 00:16:49,810 --> 00:16:51,977 Garamendi and ranking member Lamborn . 415 00:16:52,070 --> 00:16:55,120 And I just , uh also , I'm so impressed 416 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,010 and appreciative of our panel today 417 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,860 what dedicated individuals you are and 418 00:17:01,130 --> 00:17:03,640 how impressive it is an inspiring to 419 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,751 know that we have such capable person 420 00:17:05,751 --> 00:17:08,880 serving in our military with General 421 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,000 Kirkland . Question . Ah . I recently 422 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,500 toured the McIntyre joint air base here 423 00:17:14,500 --> 00:17:16,667 in South Carolina , which is a leading 424 00:17:16,667 --> 00:17:19,740 candidate for the upcoming F 35 basing 425 00:17:19,740 --> 00:17:22,710 selection . In addition to the 426 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,070 extraordinary trained personnel at 427 00:17:25,070 --> 00:17:28,500 McIntyre , the unique qualifications of 428 00:17:28,500 --> 00:17:30,550 the site include virtually no 429 00:17:30,550 --> 00:17:32,772 encroachments it . It just simply could 430 00:17:32,772 --> 00:17:35,380 not be recreated , uh , anywhere in , 431 00:17:35,390 --> 00:17:38,270 uh , and Continental , United States . 432 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,450 I would like to know what is a you're 433 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,720 depot posture to support the critical 434 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,690 weapons systems such as F 35 while 435 00:17:48,690 --> 00:17:50,690 maintaining your other priorities ? 436 00:17:53,540 --> 00:17:55,707 Congressman Wilson . Thank you for the 437 00:17:55,707 --> 00:17:57,540 question , sir . With respect to 438 00:17:57,540 --> 00:17:59,651 McIntyre , I'll just like you Like to 439 00:17:59,651 --> 00:18:01,707 address the question of fleet wide . 440 00:18:01,707 --> 00:18:03,873 Sir , I think you're aware that 70% of 441 00:18:03,873 --> 00:18:05,540 the F 35 costs are related to 442 00:18:05,540 --> 00:18:07,651 sustainment and therefore , we we pay 443 00:18:07,651 --> 00:18:09,707 particular attention to that . We're 444 00:18:09,707 --> 00:18:11,818 working with the Joint Program office 445 00:18:11,818 --> 00:18:13,929 and our Navy Marine Corps teammates . 446 00:18:13,929 --> 00:18:16,151 We continue to partner with the J , put 447 00:18:16,151 --> 00:18:15,840 a drive down sustainment costs . 448 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,007 Because , Sir , the Air Force is fully 449 00:18:18,007 --> 00:18:19,896 committed to the F 35 inches , 15 450 00:18:19,896 --> 00:18:22,540 capabilities . Um , so I'll speak with , 451 00:18:22,550 --> 00:18:25,150 uh , we currently maintain , uh , do a 452 00:18:25,150 --> 00:18:27,317 demo modification on the aircraft that 453 00:18:27,317 --> 00:18:29,206 are often a l C . Were on path to 454 00:18:29,206 --> 00:18:31,261 continue expand that this year alone 455 00:18:31,261 --> 00:18:33,650 are forecast to create from 47 to 52 456 00:18:33,650 --> 00:18:36,810 aircraft aircraft output . So we own 457 00:18:36,810 --> 00:18:39,880 the F 1 35 engine maintenance . It's 458 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,150 the only W maintenance center , uh , in 459 00:18:43,150 --> 00:18:45,372 the enterprise right now , and that has 460 00:18:45,372 --> 00:18:47,317 our full attention to drive dental 461 00:18:47,317 --> 00:18:49,594 costs and and increase the output . Um , 462 00:18:49,594 --> 00:18:51,706 but perhaps the low hanging fruit And 463 00:18:51,706 --> 00:18:53,761 where we can really say money is the 464 00:18:53,761 --> 00:18:55,761 software you're familiar with . The 465 00:18:55,761 --> 00:18:57,761 Alice program being replaced by the 466 00:18:57,761 --> 00:18:59,983 road in the Operational Data Integrated 467 00:18:59,983 --> 00:19:01,817 network . And we are a problem . 468 00:19:01,817 --> 00:19:04,039 Sustainment center will be part of that 469 00:19:04,039 --> 00:19:06,094 solution as we migrate from house to 470 00:19:06,094 --> 00:19:08,261 open and we believe we will do it with 471 00:19:08,261 --> 00:19:10,317 our organic software team . And it's 472 00:19:10,317 --> 00:19:12,317 very constipated manner . Thank you 473 00:19:12,317 --> 00:19:14,428 very much . And , uh , Admiral Glynis 474 00:19:14,428 --> 00:19:16,860 is a very grateful maybe , Dad , I 475 00:19:16,860 --> 00:19:18,638 appreciate your service . And a 476 00:19:18,638 --> 00:19:21,170 question I have for you is how , uh , 477 00:19:21,180 --> 00:19:24,460 with the improve , Uh ah . 478 00:19:25,540 --> 00:19:28,940 Impressive technician of 479 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:31,360 pipeline program that you have for 480 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:33,650 virtual learning , tools of hands on 481 00:19:33,810 --> 00:19:36,500 and practical exercise . How has the 482 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,070 pandemic impacted your ability to 483 00:19:39,070 --> 00:19:41,250 continue the necessary hands on 484 00:19:41,250 --> 00:19:43,630 training required to maintaining your 485 00:19:43,630 --> 00:19:46,410 workforce ? Yes , sir . No , thank you 486 00:19:46,410 --> 00:19:48,450 for that question . So , you know , 487 00:19:48,450 --> 00:19:51,020 we've been very fortunate that , uh , 488 00:19:51,030 --> 00:19:52,808 say with , you know , since the 489 00:19:52,808 --> 00:19:54,974 pandemic started , uh , roughly a year 490 00:19:54,974 --> 00:19:57,190 ago , we we have not , uh , closed any 491 00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:59,190 of our shipyards for a single day . 492 00:19:59,190 --> 00:20:01,357 That and that's both in the public and 493 00:20:01,357 --> 00:20:03,468 the private sector . And I give a lot 494 00:20:03,468 --> 00:20:05,190 of credit that to the shipyard 495 00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:07,134 leadership , um , is certainly the 496 00:20:07,134 --> 00:20:08,912 workforce inside the inside the 497 00:20:08,912 --> 00:20:11,023 shipyard . So we we have been able to 498 00:20:11,023 --> 00:20:13,290 continue . Um , both our our 499 00:20:13,290 --> 00:20:15,750 recruitment are hiring and our training 500 00:20:15,750 --> 00:20:18,580 efforts . Um , over the last year , and 501 00:20:18,580 --> 00:20:20,747 we've been able to maintain a pretty , 502 00:20:20,747 --> 00:20:22,747 uh , you know , steady flow . Folks 503 00:20:22,747 --> 00:20:24,913 into the shipyard continue to get them 504 00:20:24,913 --> 00:20:26,969 through the pipeline . The the other 505 00:20:26,969 --> 00:20:29,024 thing , sort of that I'm sure you're 506 00:20:29,024 --> 00:20:31,136 aware of is , uh , you know , when we 507 00:20:31,136 --> 00:20:33,358 went into the pandemic and we looked at 508 00:20:33,358 --> 00:20:35,524 the potential impacts on the yard , we 509 00:20:35,524 --> 00:20:37,740 activated our our surge main force . 510 00:20:37,740 --> 00:20:40,580 And so that is a group we we brought on 511 00:20:40,590 --> 00:20:42,700 active duty , about 1300 reserve 512 00:20:42,700 --> 00:20:44,810 sailors that are aligned to the four 513 00:20:44,810 --> 00:20:47,350 public shipyards . Um , and their 514 00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:50,010 reserve time is is to train , uh , you 515 00:20:50,010 --> 00:20:52,232 know , with with the shipyards . Okay . 516 00:20:52,232 --> 00:20:55,320 So when we have a guard , continue to 517 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,930 get them through the pipeline , the the 518 00:20:57,930 --> 00:20:59,930 other thing , Sort of that I'm sure 519 00:20:59,930 --> 00:21:02,041 you're aware of his , uh , you know , 520 00:21:02,041 --> 00:21:04,152 when we went into the pandemic and we 521 00:21:04,152 --> 00:21:06,319 looked at the potential impacts on the 522 00:21:06,319 --> 00:21:08,486 yard , we activated that we would have 523 00:21:08,486 --> 00:21:10,763 pushed off . And so We've been able to , 524 00:21:10,763 --> 00:21:12,874 uh , not totally eliminate that , but 525 00:21:12,874 --> 00:21:14,930 but certainly mitigate a lot of that 526 00:21:14,930 --> 00:21:18,220 that impact . Um , so I guess the short 527 00:21:18,220 --> 00:21:20,331 answer to your questions , we've been 528 00:21:20,331 --> 00:21:22,540 able to to continue that and the , you 529 00:21:22,540 --> 00:21:24,650 know , the the the distance learning 530 00:21:24,650 --> 00:21:26,817 the i t certainly played a big part of 531 00:21:26,817 --> 00:21:28,928 that . But even getting folks through 532 00:21:28,928 --> 00:21:31,039 the learning centers that I mentioned 533 00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:30,730 and everything , we've been able to 534 00:21:30,730 --> 00:21:32,674 continue that effort . Yes , sir , 535 00:21:33,340 --> 00:21:35,507 Admiral , thank you very much . And my 536 00:21:35,507 --> 00:21:37,451 time is up . But again , I want to 537 00:21:37,451 --> 00:21:39,451 thank Chairman Garamendi forgetting 538 00:21:39,451 --> 00:21:41,340 this panel together . Everyone is 539 00:21:41,340 --> 00:21:43,451 outstanding . Thank you very much . I 540 00:21:43,451 --> 00:21:44,451 yield back . 541 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,896 I'm Chairman Gary Monday . I believe 542 00:22:00,896 --> 00:22:03,062 you're muted . Are you calling on me ? 543 00:22:03,062 --> 00:22:06,660 I am calling on you . Yes . Thank you . 544 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,751 Well , thank you . Well , thank you , 545 00:22:09,751 --> 00:22:11,696 gentlemen , for being here to talk 546 00:22:11,696 --> 00:22:13,696 about these very important issues . 547 00:22:13,940 --> 00:22:16,051 Just wanted to start by saying that I 548 00:22:16,051 --> 00:22:18,720 think we can't wait any longer to make 549 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,887 the investments that we need to in our 550 00:22:20,887 --> 00:22:23,370 ship maintenance infrastructure . Um , 551 00:22:23,380 --> 00:22:25,269 investing both our public and our 552 00:22:25,269 --> 00:22:27,436 private yards has the effect of adding 553 00:22:27,436 --> 00:22:29,602 increased capacity to our fleet in the 554 00:22:29,602 --> 00:22:31,713 near term . Um , and if you listen to 555 00:22:31,713 --> 00:22:34,230 Admiral Davidson testimony last week , 556 00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:36,320 Commander of us and opaque calm . We 557 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,431 need that capacity sooner rather than 558 00:22:38,431 --> 00:22:40,487 later . So I just want to say that I 559 00:22:40,487 --> 00:22:42,542 think that we need to act now . Um , 560 00:22:42,542 --> 00:22:44,376 and I concur with Representative 561 00:22:44,376 --> 00:22:46,900 Courtney's comments that the shipyard 562 00:22:46,910 --> 00:22:49,600 optimization plan , um , is incredibly 563 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,767 critical . Um , and I think we need to 564 00:22:51,767 --> 00:22:54,410 speed it up . Um , and I'm sort of 565 00:22:54,410 --> 00:22:56,860 surprised to hear that you don't feel 566 00:22:56,860 --> 00:22:58,749 Immokalee knows that you need any 567 00:22:58,749 --> 00:23:00,416 additional authorities or any 568 00:23:00,416 --> 00:23:02,638 additional resources to do that . But , 569 00:23:02,638 --> 00:23:04,860 you know , I'd really like to be a very 570 00:23:04,860 --> 00:23:06,693 strong advocate , Um , from this 571 00:23:06,693 --> 00:23:08,860 committee and the subcommittee to make 572 00:23:08,860 --> 00:23:08,560 sure that you have those resources 573 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,616 because I think the ship maintenance 574 00:23:10,616 --> 00:23:12,671 resources are absolutely critical to 575 00:23:12,671 --> 00:23:14,504 getting our ships out deployed , 576 00:23:14,504 --> 00:23:16,727 providing that forward presence that we 577 00:23:16,727 --> 00:23:18,838 need to counter Chinese in the in the 578 00:23:18,838 --> 00:23:20,838 Western Pacific . And I really feel 579 00:23:20,838 --> 00:23:23,004 like we need to shift from that mantra 580 00:23:23,004 --> 00:23:25,060 that I feel like we have today where 581 00:23:25,060 --> 00:23:26,949 maintenance is driving operations 582 00:23:26,949 --> 00:23:29,060 rather than maintenance is supporting 583 00:23:29,060 --> 00:23:31,350 and enabling operations . Um , so I 584 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:35,050 just wanted to ask you again . I mean , 585 00:23:35,060 --> 00:23:37,590 do you need any additional authorities 586 00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:39,930 resources I mean , ideally like , what 587 00:23:39,930 --> 00:23:41,986 could we do to speed this up To give 588 00:23:41,986 --> 00:23:44,208 that increased capacity . And I'll just 589 00:23:44,208 --> 00:23:46,097 quickly give the other example of 590 00:23:46,097 --> 00:23:48,430 recently at Norfolk Naval Shipyard . Um , 591 00:23:48,430 --> 00:23:50,374 we have the CvN 77 dry docking and 592 00:23:50,374 --> 00:23:52,486 undocking availability that was going 593 00:23:52,486 --> 00:23:54,541 to last 27 months and a Nimitz class 594 00:23:54,541 --> 00:23:56,541 first docking availability in their 595 00:23:56,541 --> 00:23:56,100 life cycle . That should have been 596 00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:59,210 about 10.5 months . Um , and the domino 597 00:23:59,210 --> 00:24:01,432 effect of that and the dual deployments 598 00:24:01,432 --> 00:24:03,432 of the carriers we've seen over the 599 00:24:03,432 --> 00:24:05,543 last year , Um , you know , we're all 600 00:24:05,543 --> 00:24:07,710 impacted by that maintenance backlog . 601 00:24:07,710 --> 00:24:10,010 So can you just comment again on 602 00:24:10,020 --> 00:24:12,076 anything else that this committee or 603 00:24:12,076 --> 00:24:14,187 Congress can do to help speed up your 604 00:24:14,187 --> 00:24:15,853 building of your capacity and 605 00:24:15,853 --> 00:24:17,964 modernization of the shipyard ? Yes , 606 00:24:17,964 --> 00:24:19,964 ma'am . Thank you for that question 607 00:24:19,964 --> 00:24:22,131 representing Gloria . So let me just , 608 00:24:22,131 --> 00:24:24,353 uh , just to be clear . Um , you know , 609 00:24:24,353 --> 00:24:26,520 at this point , I don't believe I need 610 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,670 any additional authorities that I did 611 00:24:28,670 --> 00:24:30,726 not say . We may not need additional 612 00:24:30,726 --> 00:24:32,559 resources because we are working 613 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:34,614 through that right now . And there . 614 00:24:34,614 --> 00:24:36,559 There's a potential we we may need 615 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,726 additional resources . Okay . Um , one 616 00:24:38,726 --> 00:24:40,892 of the things that I've asked the team 617 00:24:40,892 --> 00:24:43,003 to look at is , you know , we kind of 618 00:24:43,003 --> 00:24:45,114 notionally rolled out . I'll say a 20 619 00:24:45,114 --> 00:24:47,337 year plan . Um , I asked him to go back 620 00:24:47,337 --> 00:24:49,392 and look at what it would take , you 621 00:24:49,392 --> 00:24:51,559 know , to to do this capitalization in 622 00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:53,614 10 years and 15 years . And so we're 623 00:24:53,614 --> 00:24:55,837 working through that right now . As you 624 00:24:55,837 --> 00:24:57,948 well know , one of the things to do , 625 00:24:57,948 --> 00:25:00,320 uh , doing that is being able to 626 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,930 integrate the recapitalisation work 627 00:25:02,940 --> 00:25:05,180 along with the ship repair work that we 628 00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:08,170 that we need to do and and and to your 629 00:25:08,170 --> 00:25:10,281 point on , you know , um , you know , 630 00:25:10,281 --> 00:25:11,948 maintenance , driving , fleet 631 00:25:11,948 --> 00:25:14,120 operations . Um , I agree with you on 632 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:16,231 that . We It's an area . We certainly 633 00:25:16,231 --> 00:25:17,953 need need to get better . Um , 634 00:25:17,953 --> 00:25:20,176 personally , I think it starts with our 635 00:25:20,176 --> 00:25:22,342 planning efforts . Okay , Um , as well 636 00:25:22,342 --> 00:25:24,453 as we build that work package for the 637 00:25:24,453 --> 00:25:26,490 for the ships and the carriers and 638 00:25:26,500 --> 00:25:28,444 submarines going into our into our 639 00:25:28,444 --> 00:25:31,110 public yards , Um , and then once we 640 00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:33,450 get them in , it's all about , you know , 641 00:25:33,450 --> 00:25:35,394 execution . And we just need to be 642 00:25:35,394 --> 00:25:37,283 relentless in that , um there are 643 00:25:37,283 --> 00:25:39,283 things we're doing to to strengthen 644 00:25:39,283 --> 00:25:42,070 that , um , we talked and I'll just 645 00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:44,348 give you three quick examples . One is , 646 00:25:44,348 --> 00:25:46,570 uh , you know , the amount of unplanned 647 00:25:46,570 --> 00:25:48,681 work that we push into availabilities 648 00:25:48,681 --> 00:25:51,380 once that once the availability starts , 649 00:25:51,380 --> 00:25:53,670 And as you well know , you know , um , 650 00:25:54,140 --> 00:25:55,890 you know , once that happens , 651 00:25:55,900 --> 00:25:58,260 especially if it comes in later in the 652 00:25:58,260 --> 00:26:00,427 availability , that's absolutely going 653 00:26:00,427 --> 00:26:02,371 to impact your ability to get that 654 00:26:02,371 --> 00:26:04,593 submarine or that aircraft carry out of 655 00:26:04,593 --> 00:26:06,538 the yard on time . And so you know 656 00:26:06,538 --> 00:26:08,593 whether it's it's reworked , whether 657 00:26:08,593 --> 00:26:10,927 it's growth work or new , Um , you know , 658 00:26:10,927 --> 00:26:13,149 work that you don't plan to do once you 659 00:26:13,149 --> 00:26:15,149 get in there is very impactful in a 660 00:26:15,149 --> 00:26:17,149 negative way . The second item that 661 00:26:17,149 --> 00:26:19,940 we're looking at is just what I'll call 662 00:26:19,940 --> 00:26:22,230 shop Efficiencies . And and , uh , you 663 00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:24,397 know , we're finding , you know , some 664 00:26:24,397 --> 00:26:26,860 real opportunities , Um , within all 665 00:26:26,860 --> 00:26:29,082 four of our shipyards , quite frankly , 666 00:26:29,082 --> 00:26:32,150 you know , to improve the efficiency of 667 00:26:32,150 --> 00:26:34,317 our shops to kind of push , you know , 668 00:26:34,317 --> 00:26:36,483 work from the from the shop areas down 669 00:26:36,483 --> 00:26:38,817 to the waterfront onboard the submarine . 670 00:26:38,817 --> 00:26:40,983 A key piece of this , um and we've had 671 00:26:40,983 --> 00:26:43,206 some of these discussions previously as 672 00:26:43,206 --> 00:26:45,206 the availability of parts , whether 673 00:26:45,206 --> 00:26:45,040 those are , you know , parts coming 674 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,050 from the supply system . Uh , those 675 00:26:47,050 --> 00:26:49,106 depot level irreparable rotator bill 676 00:26:49,106 --> 00:26:51,161 pool items that I talked about , You 677 00:26:51,161 --> 00:26:53,217 know , just having that available to 678 00:26:53,217 --> 00:26:55,328 the mechanic . Um , when they need it 679 00:26:55,328 --> 00:26:57,439 to get that work done and to continue 680 00:26:57,439 --> 00:26:59,940 that that process moving , Um , and 681 00:26:59,940 --> 00:27:02,570 then the you know , the third part of 682 00:27:02,570 --> 00:27:04,737 this is really just I'll just say it's 683 00:27:04,737 --> 00:27:07,370 it's availability management . And , uh , 684 00:27:07,380 --> 00:27:09,750 I I mentioned the naval ships 685 00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:11,917 Sustainment effort Shipyard that we're 686 00:27:11,917 --> 00:27:14,083 working right now . We we brought in , 687 00:27:14,083 --> 00:27:16,330 as you know , uh , a group of Boston 688 00:27:16,330 --> 00:27:18,608 consulting group to kind of , you know , 689 00:27:18,608 --> 00:27:20,770 kind of a world class . Uh um , you 690 00:27:20,770 --> 00:27:23,050 know , process improvement company that 691 00:27:23,050 --> 00:27:25,180 really , you know , bring some some 692 00:27:25,180 --> 00:27:27,124 best practices from the commercial 693 00:27:27,124 --> 00:27:29,347 enterprise , uh , that that we can look 694 00:27:29,347 --> 00:27:31,402 to leverage and and incorporate into 695 00:27:31,402 --> 00:27:33,569 our shipyards and just the way we kind 696 00:27:33,569 --> 00:27:35,791 of think about , um when you come up as 697 00:27:35,791 --> 00:27:37,847 you work through an availability and 698 00:27:37,847 --> 00:27:40,069 you come up with , you know , unplanned 699 00:27:40,069 --> 00:27:42,236 work where you have an efficiency item 700 00:27:42,236 --> 00:27:44,347 or your something that that may cause 701 00:27:44,347 --> 00:27:46,402 additional time in there . How do we 702 00:27:46,402 --> 00:27:48,470 work our way through that in a very 703 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,700 expeditious and efficient manner ? And 704 00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:52,700 frankly , we've kind of lost . Uh , 705 00:27:52,700 --> 00:27:54,922 I'll say our edge in that area a little 706 00:27:54,922 --> 00:27:56,922 bit . So those are just three areas 707 00:27:56,922 --> 00:27:59,033 that we're getting after , ma'am . On 708 00:27:59,033 --> 00:28:01,144 that that area . Well , thank you for 709 00:28:01,144 --> 00:28:00,320 those comments , and I know that my 710 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,431 time has expired . And , you know , I 711 00:28:02,431 --> 00:28:04,431 think that those are critical areas 712 00:28:04,431 --> 00:28:06,487 that do need improvement . And , you 713 00:28:06,487 --> 00:28:08,598 know , we are asking is the committee 714 00:28:08,598 --> 00:28:08,050 is what do you need from us ? What do 715 00:28:08,050 --> 00:28:10,050 you need from Congress to implement 716 00:28:10,050 --> 00:28:11,994 this ? Because it's not just about 717 00:28:11,994 --> 00:28:13,717 building ships in the Seapower 718 00:28:13,717 --> 00:28:15,828 subcommittee . It's about maintaining 719 00:28:15,828 --> 00:28:15,260 and using the ships that we have as 720 00:28:15,260 --> 00:28:17,482 most efficiently as possible . Um , and 721 00:28:17,482 --> 00:28:19,649 a big piece of that is maintenance and 722 00:28:19,649 --> 00:28:21,871 getting that maintenance done on time . 723 00:28:21,871 --> 00:28:24,038 So thank you again for your comments . 724 00:28:24,038 --> 00:28:26,260 And I also wanted to thank um where I'm 725 00:28:26,260 --> 00:28:26,160 over here , you get the war room . I 726 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,271 was able to spend a couple hours with 727 00:28:28,271 --> 00:28:30,104 him a few weeks ago and got some 728 00:28:30,104 --> 00:28:33,120 insights on the surface pleat sign into 729 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,231 some of the process improvements that 730 00:28:35,231 --> 00:28:37,231 you're making and really want to be 731 00:28:37,231 --> 00:28:39,287 supportive of those . So thank you . 732 00:28:39,287 --> 00:28:41,398 And thank you very much . Elaine . We 733 00:28:41,398 --> 00:28:43,342 now turn to give you the next four 734 00:28:43,342 --> 00:28:46,550 members in order . More sphere . 735 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,020 Birdman Scott or Spirit Bergman . Scott . 736 00:28:50,020 --> 00:28:52,900 Mr . Moore , Your turn . Thank you , 737 00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:55,011 Chairman . Uh , sincerely , thank you 738 00:28:55,011 --> 00:28:58,860 all for being here today . Uh , my , my 739 00:28:58,860 --> 00:29:01,260 questions will primarily be directed 740 00:29:01,260 --> 00:29:03,204 towards General Kirkland . General 741 00:29:03,204 --> 00:29:05,316 Kirkland . It's great to get a chance 742 00:29:05,316 --> 00:29:07,370 to interact again and again . 743 00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:09,481 Appreciate your opening statements as 744 00:29:09,481 --> 00:29:11,370 well . Especially bringing up the 745 00:29:11,370 --> 00:29:13,440 importance of stem and some of those 746 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,551 hiring needs . I hope to get a chance 747 00:29:15,551 --> 00:29:17,880 to chat with you about that , uh , the 748 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,602 organic industrial base . It's 749 00:29:19,602 --> 00:29:21,824 essential to the repair and maintenance 750 00:29:21,824 --> 00:29:23,658 of the nation's complex array of 751 00:29:23,658 --> 00:29:25,324 weapons systems and a minimum 752 00:29:25,324 --> 00:29:27,158 investment requires requirements 753 00:29:27,158 --> 00:29:28,880 designed to only sustain depot 754 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,658 performance have left to make a 755 00:29:30,658 --> 00:29:32,824 majority of depots in poor condition , 756 00:29:32,824 --> 00:29:34,713 relying on equipment far past its 757 00:29:34,713 --> 00:29:36,602 service life and , of course , of 758 00:29:36,602 --> 00:29:38,547 action to reinvigorate our organic 759 00:29:38,547 --> 00:29:40,547 industrial basis requires educating 760 00:29:40,547 --> 00:29:40,210 members of Congress on why these 761 00:29:40,210 --> 00:29:42,321 facilities are needed . United mutual 762 00:29:42,321 --> 00:29:44,210 interests across service branches 763 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,962 holding d o d . Accountable to 764 00:29:45,962 --> 00:29:47,907 modernizing efforts and to improve 765 00:29:47,907 --> 00:29:49,851 readiness and reduced costs . I am 766 00:29:49,851 --> 00:29:51,690 thrilled to be a co chair of the 767 00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:53,756 bipartisan group for the House Depot 768 00:29:53,756 --> 00:29:56,630 caucus . Ordinary logistics complexes 769 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,640 is in my district . And I know that 770 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,529 optimization plans and investment 771 00:30:00,529 --> 00:30:03,840 strategy recently just mentioned about , 772 00:30:03,850 --> 00:30:06,210 um in a results oriented management 773 00:30:06,210 --> 00:30:08,154 approach with even some consulting 774 00:30:08,154 --> 00:30:09,940 firms that will help us fortify 775 00:30:09,940 --> 00:30:11,940 existing optimization plans and and 776 00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:13,960 maintain that that superiority . 777 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,180 General Kirkland . The first question I 778 00:30:17,180 --> 00:30:19,236 ask is the Air Force depots employed 779 00:30:19,236 --> 00:30:22,260 predominantly civilian personnel . How 780 00:30:22,260 --> 00:30:24,316 can we ? How can this committee best 781 00:30:24,316 --> 00:30:26,371 help the services where we're hiring 782 00:30:26,371 --> 00:30:28,593 challenges are concerned ? How can we ? 783 00:30:28,593 --> 00:30:28,170 How can we best help ? In your opinion ? 784 00:30:29,340 --> 00:30:31,980 Yeah , Congressman more . Thank you for 785 00:30:31,980 --> 00:30:34,091 that question . And I look forward to 786 00:30:34,091 --> 00:30:36,258 working with the advising . Performing 787 00:30:36,258 --> 00:30:39,370 your leadership caucus , sir , with 788 00:30:39,370 --> 00:30:41,592 respect to your question about civilian 789 00:30:41,592 --> 00:30:45,030 personnel . Correct , um , 99% or more 790 00:30:45,030 --> 00:30:48,730 of our depot workforce are patriotic 791 00:30:48,730 --> 00:30:51,430 civilian employees , airport civilians . 792 00:30:51,490 --> 00:30:53,657 Answer mentioned in my opening comment 793 00:30:53,657 --> 00:30:56,500 about how we use D . H A N T H a . The 794 00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:58,500 director Higher authority . It is a 795 00:30:58,500 --> 00:31:00,389 tremendous goal for us , for both 796 00:31:00,389 --> 00:31:02,556 including , and hiring allows us to be 797 00:31:02,556 --> 00:31:04,667 more creative , agile , strategic and 798 00:31:04,667 --> 00:31:06,667 candidly also allows us to leverage 799 00:31:06,667 --> 00:31:09,370 social media and online data databases 800 00:31:09,380 --> 00:31:12,500 to attract and recruit employees . Some 801 00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:14,850 data So , uh , four years ago in a 802 00:31:14,860 --> 00:31:18,130 calendar year 17 our traditional hires 803 00:31:18,130 --> 00:31:20,520 for external organization averaged more 804 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,250 than 180 days . Um , last year , using 805 00:31:24,250 --> 00:31:26,194 the h A . We got that into the low 806 00:31:26,194 --> 00:31:28,670 sixties . Uh , and so that is just 807 00:31:28,670 --> 00:31:31,250 treating our employees with a lot more 808 00:31:31,250 --> 00:31:33,250 respect and makes us more efficient 809 00:31:33,250 --> 00:31:35,361 when we have when we have a vacancy . 810 00:31:35,361 --> 00:31:37,472 Uh , over the same four years , sir , 811 00:31:37,472 --> 00:31:40,490 we've gone from 700 or so hired using D 812 00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:43,540 H 83 over 3000 . So this is a tool that 813 00:31:43,540 --> 00:31:47,430 continues to expand in its use . Our 814 00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:49,541 air force added this to the in flight 815 00:31:49,541 --> 00:31:52,990 22 personnel legislative review . Uh , 816 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,167 and , uh , we were going to rescind it 817 00:31:55,167 --> 00:31:58,450 for 23 as well Are non depot workforce . 818 00:31:58,460 --> 00:32:00,682 Many of them are installation support . 819 00:32:00,682 --> 00:32:03,520 The depo related activities . 68% of 820 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,742 those hires are still using traditional 821 00:32:05,742 --> 00:32:07,798 methodologies . So there is a lot of 822 00:32:07,798 --> 00:32:09,964 upside . If we could expand , uh , and 823 00:32:09,964 --> 00:32:13,130 use DHHS more , Congressman , I would 824 00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:16,430 add to that an appeal to consider a 825 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,607 clean repeal the one every day waiting 826 00:32:18,607 --> 00:32:22,450 period for retired military members of 827 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,650 we are at a disadvantage against our 828 00:32:25,660 --> 00:32:28,880 commercial industry . Pairs to retain 829 00:32:28,890 --> 00:32:30,790 that talent and experience and 830 00:32:30,790 --> 00:32:32,980 specialized skills and security 831 00:32:32,980 --> 00:32:35,147 clearances as they leave active duty , 832 00:32:35,147 --> 00:32:37,147 Air Force and retire . Many of them 833 00:32:37,147 --> 00:32:39,313 come back to us eventually . But there 834 00:32:39,313 --> 00:32:41,480 is . There is a large group that we do 835 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,647 not have access to as they immediately 836 00:32:43,647 --> 00:32:45,591 seek employment after retirement . 837 00:32:45,591 --> 00:32:47,702 Thank you , Congressman . Excellent . 838 00:32:47,702 --> 00:32:49,369 Thank you . I appreciate that 839 00:32:49,369 --> 00:32:51,380 perspective . Let me switch gears 840 00:32:51,380 --> 00:32:54,910 quickly to the optimization program . 841 00:32:54,910 --> 00:32:57,230 So the shipyard , the Navy , the Naval 842 00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:58,841 Sea Systems Command Shipyard 843 00:32:58,841 --> 00:33:01,290 Infrastructure Program is a 20 year , 844 00:33:01,290 --> 00:33:03,068 $21 billion effort to modernize 845 00:33:03,068 --> 00:33:05,290 infrastructure at shipyard facilities . 846 00:33:05,290 --> 00:33:07,290 Do you see a need for comprehensive 847 00:33:07,290 --> 00:33:09,457 plan to recapitalize and modernize the 848 00:33:09,457 --> 00:33:11,860 entirety of the organic industrial base ? 849 00:33:13,940 --> 00:33:15,718 That's also to General Kirkland 850 00:33:20,140 --> 00:33:22,750 Congressman ? Absolutely , as we've as 851 00:33:22,750 --> 00:33:25,940 we lay out organic industrial Base Plan 852 00:33:26,020 --> 00:33:28,900 and chairman here , Minis Point , even 853 00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:30,789 though it's a 20 year plan , were 854 00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:33,460 focused primarily on the first five 855 00:33:33,460 --> 00:33:35,790 years ago are three alternatives . Go 856 00:33:35,790 --> 00:33:39,000 55 and 10 across that So sir are 857 00:33:39,010 --> 00:33:41,121 targeted . Use of the 6% investment , 858 00:33:41,121 --> 00:33:43,320 which the Air Force is averaging about 859 00:33:43,330 --> 00:33:45,880 8% right now are taken care of much of 860 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,450 those immediate needs to restructure 861 00:33:48,450 --> 00:33:50,540 our depots built , dedicated , 862 00:33:50,550 --> 00:33:52,550 functional campuses in the light to 863 00:33:52,550 --> 00:33:54,606 make us more effective and optimized 864 00:33:54,606 --> 00:33:56,772 for the future . Excellent . Then , as 865 00:33:56,772 --> 00:34:00,760 I entree my first quarter in politics 866 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,982 and in these committees , I'm realizing 867 00:34:02,982 --> 00:34:05,093 how fast five minutes ago . So I will 868 00:34:05,093 --> 00:34:07,149 yield back . Thank you very much for 869 00:34:07,149 --> 00:34:09,371 your time . Your back , Chairman . It's 870 00:34:09,371 --> 00:34:11,593 thank you very much , Mr Moore . One of 871 00:34:11,593 --> 00:34:13,816 the things that I want you to just take 872 00:34:13,816 --> 00:34:17,370 a moment here is that all of the 873 00:34:17,380 --> 00:34:21,000 forces have a plan . We 874 00:34:21,010 --> 00:34:23,570 usually see that plan after it has been 875 00:34:23,570 --> 00:34:27,520 scrubbed by every other uh , part 876 00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:31,050 of the Department of Defense . And it 877 00:34:31,050 --> 00:34:33,860 comes to us in a abbreviated 878 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,460 or , um , the slope 879 00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:41,620 implementation . I'm basically meaning 880 00:34:41,620 --> 00:34:44,030 that the depots 881 00:34:45,340 --> 00:34:48,420 often are of a lower priority for the 882 00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:50,900 entire department than some other 883 00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:54,170 activity . The purchase of a new 884 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,250 aerial platform , a new set of ships 885 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,160 or whatever . And it is the work of 886 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,940 this committee to push the depot the 887 00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:09,870 maintenance to a higher priority . To 888 00:35:09,870 --> 00:35:12,360 do that , we need to know 889 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,800 before all the scrubbing and all the 890 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,060 elimination , what is necessary . 891 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,840 And so we're going to pursue that and 892 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,550 so heads up admirals and generals . 893 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,318 We're coming at you looking for ? What ? 894 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,460 You initially need it . Not what 895 00:35:32,460 --> 00:35:35,050 finally came out in the president's 896 00:35:35,050 --> 00:35:38,760 budget . So you know where we're going . 897 00:35:39,740 --> 00:35:42,110 If you care to help us , there are ways 898 00:35:42,110 --> 00:35:44,277 of getting this information formally . 899 00:35:44,540 --> 00:35:46,550 And we would expect that we're now 900 00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:48,160 going to Miss Spear . 901 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:56,407 Jackie , you're up . 902 00:36:00,630 --> 00:36:04,500 Hello . Jackie may 903 00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:06,710 not have come back from the various 904 00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:09,850 officers will go to Mr Bergman . 905 00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:13,040 Jackie , your final try here . 906 00:36:15,630 --> 00:36:18,680 Okay , Mr Bird . Well , Chairman , 907 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,680 Thank you . And you got close . You 908 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,680 traded when I grew up . My name was 909 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,450 Jackie , so I'll just substitute one 910 00:36:25,450 --> 00:36:27,561 Jackie for another with this . Okay , 911 00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:30,980 um , we'll take that up with the Jackie , 912 00:36:30,980 --> 00:36:33,202 but in the meantime , mine was a little 913 00:36:33,202 --> 00:36:35,313 Why ? I did the same thing with Jacky 914 00:36:35,313 --> 00:36:37,313 Rosen when we got here in our first 915 00:36:37,313 --> 00:36:40,440 term . But anyway , the point is Thanks 916 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,273 for the hearing . Thanks for the 917 00:36:42,273 --> 00:36:44,496 education . I believe that in listening 918 00:36:44,496 --> 00:36:46,384 to my colleagues who have already 919 00:36:46,384 --> 00:36:48,440 spoken , I'm really not going to ask 920 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,551 anymore because sometimes we re asked 921 00:36:50,551 --> 00:36:52,384 the same questions . All I would 922 00:36:52,384 --> 00:36:54,600 suggest to you , those of you in 923 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,540 uniform who are who are dialoguing with 924 00:36:58,540 --> 00:37:02,390 us today is that at best , You know , 925 00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:04,446 in your business , you gotta have at 926 00:37:04,446 --> 00:37:06,501 least an 80% solution out the door . 927 00:37:06,930 --> 00:37:09,041 And then as it moves forward , you've 928 00:37:09,041 --> 00:37:11,950 got to , if you will adjust the other 929 00:37:11,950 --> 00:37:15,090 20% to make sure that that ship is 930 00:37:15,630 --> 00:37:17,850 deployable to the fight and what we 931 00:37:17,850 --> 00:37:20,072 look for , I believe on our side of the 932 00:37:20,072 --> 00:37:22,590 aisle . Is that solid ? If you will to 933 00:37:22,590 --> 00:37:24,423 be illiterate here , pragmatic , 934 00:37:24,423 --> 00:37:26,960 proactive , professional prioritization 935 00:37:27,330 --> 00:37:30,000 of your efforts so that we can provide 936 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,310 the funding necessary and that you can 937 00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:36,120 show us where the exceptions need to be . 938 00:37:36,130 --> 00:37:37,940 As soon as you see the need for 939 00:37:37,940 --> 00:37:40,450 exception that helps us do our work . 940 00:37:40,460 --> 00:37:42,680 So with that , Mr Chairman , uh , in 941 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,847 the spirit of things , I'll yield back 942 00:37:44,847 --> 00:37:47,069 the rest of my time and look forward to 943 00:37:47,069 --> 00:37:49,013 the , uh , to the next event as an 944 00:37:49,013 --> 00:37:52,350 update . I'm going to go back to Jackie 945 00:37:52,350 --> 00:37:55,460 Spear . If she's on will take her now . 946 00:37:59,230 --> 00:38:01,750 Apparently not . Miss Spear . Your turn . 947 00:38:03,820 --> 00:38:05,820 Very good . We're going to go to Mr 948 00:38:05,820 --> 00:38:08,300 Scott Dann , and then we may start a 949 00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:10,467 second round of questions depending on 950 00:38:10,467 --> 00:38:13,980 where we are . Good . Thank you , Mr 951 00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:17,080 Chairman . Uh , General Kirkland . Uh , 952 00:38:17,090 --> 00:38:19,146 glad to have you at Robins Air Force 953 00:38:19,146 --> 00:38:21,312 Base . Look forward to seeing you next 954 00:38:21,312 --> 00:38:23,423 week . I know that you've spoken to a 955 00:38:23,423 --> 00:38:25,534 lot of the issues with software . One 956 00:38:25,534 --> 00:38:27,479 of the things that is happening at 957 00:38:27,479 --> 00:38:29,479 Robins Air Force Base , uh , is the 958 00:38:29,479 --> 00:38:31,534 Advanced Air Force are the Air Force 959 00:38:31,534 --> 00:38:33,868 Advanced Technology and Training Center , 960 00:38:33,868 --> 00:38:36,120 uh , where they are using technologies 961 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,060 like three D printing and and other new , 962 00:38:40,070 --> 00:38:42,800 uh , advanced technologies for 963 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,810 manufacturing parts that in some cases 964 00:38:45,810 --> 00:38:48,010 been obsolete and in other cases were 965 00:38:48,010 --> 00:38:50,470 simply being charged significantly more 966 00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:52,470 than we should be charged for those 967 00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:54,660 parts . What what efficiencies are you 968 00:38:54,660 --> 00:38:56,716 seeing from investments in these new 969 00:38:56,716 --> 00:38:58,882 technologies , like three D printing , 970 00:38:58,882 --> 00:39:01,049 robotics and artificial intelligence ? 971 00:39:01,049 --> 00:39:02,930 How are you continuing to foster 972 00:39:02,940 --> 00:39:04,662 innovation and the sustainment 973 00:39:04,662 --> 00:39:06,884 enterprise ? And as much as we're happy 974 00:39:06,884 --> 00:39:08,829 to have the the Air Force Advanced 975 00:39:08,829 --> 00:39:10,940 Technology and Training Center and in 976 00:39:10,940 --> 00:39:12,940 Robins Air Force Base at Robins Air 977 00:39:12,940 --> 00:39:14,940 Force Base , do you have , uh , the 978 00:39:14,940 --> 00:39:17,107 intent of doing similar facilities and 979 00:39:17,107 --> 00:39:20,780 other locations ? Congress . 980 00:39:20,780 --> 00:39:22,669 Scott . Thank you , sir , For the 981 00:39:22,669 --> 00:39:25,060 question . Uh , let me responding to 982 00:39:25,060 --> 00:39:27,116 points real quickly . First . So you 983 00:39:27,116 --> 00:39:29,171 mentioned Robotics and Warner Robins 984 00:39:29,171 --> 00:39:31,393 religious complex . Happy to report the 985 00:39:31,393 --> 00:39:33,727 investments in the last four years . Uh , 986 00:39:33,727 --> 00:39:36,270 have really , uh the advantages are we 987 00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:39,060 removed 60 personnel from a hazardous 988 00:39:39,060 --> 00:39:41,550 environment . We say five million and 989 00:39:41,550 --> 00:39:44,070 automation savings , and we've reduced 990 00:39:44,070 --> 00:39:47,190 our hazardous material stream . All 991 00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:49,357 part of that serve while while getting 992 00:39:49,357 --> 00:39:51,468 more aircraft components out the door 993 00:39:51,468 --> 00:39:54,230 at a better cost . Um , we are 994 00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:56,063 partnered with the rapid , rapid 995 00:39:56,063 --> 00:39:57,897 sustainment office in Life Cycle 996 00:39:57,897 --> 00:40:00,063 Management Center , which , actually , 997 00:40:00,063 --> 00:40:02,350 sir operates the TTC you mentioned . We 998 00:40:02,350 --> 00:40:04,461 are partnered with them across a wide 999 00:40:04,461 --> 00:40:07,170 spectrum of advanced technologies in 1000 00:40:07,180 --> 00:40:09,330 condition based maintenance . Plus 1001 00:40:09,340 --> 00:40:11,830 alone . Sir , we've collaborated on , 1002 00:40:11,830 --> 00:40:15,260 they are asked . Our formal palm passed 1003 00:40:15,260 --> 00:40:17,790 to the air Force will be 160 million 1004 00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:21,000 now over the divided up . And , uh , 1005 00:40:21,010 --> 00:40:23,280 that is , uh , that is necessary for us 1006 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,970 to expand CBM at the rate we need to 1007 00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:28,026 and have its advantages , sir . With 1008 00:40:28,026 --> 00:40:30,200 respect with respect to 80 PCs , there 1009 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,830 is , uh , believe one being put in in 1010 00:40:32,830 --> 00:40:36,030 Ogden , outside , uh , in Utah . And I 1011 00:40:36,030 --> 00:40:38,363 will also say there's one in Pittsburgh , 1012 00:40:38,363 --> 00:40:40,641 but I'll have to take the record , sir . 1013 00:40:40,641 --> 00:40:42,586 There their entire plans to expand 1014 00:40:42,586 --> 00:40:45,730 those , uh well , 1015 00:40:45,740 --> 00:40:48,280 tell me where Mandy want one . I would 1016 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,440 like to invite the U and the other 1017 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,662 members of the committee down to Robins 1018 00:40:52,662 --> 00:40:54,496 Air Force Base to look at what's 1019 00:40:54,496 --> 00:40:56,718 happening at not just that Robin's as a 1020 00:40:56,718 --> 00:40:58,884 whole , but at the Advanced Technology 1021 00:40:58,884 --> 00:41:00,940 and Training Center . Uh , obviously 1022 00:41:00,940 --> 00:41:03,162 while while our private sector partners 1023 00:41:03,162 --> 00:41:05,380 are an integral part of our national 1024 00:41:05,380 --> 00:41:07,380 security , there are certain things 1025 00:41:07,380 --> 00:41:09,720 that they do sometimes very much 1026 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:12,460 irritate me with regard to how much 1027 00:41:12,460 --> 00:41:15,970 they charge for certain parts that 1028 00:41:15,970 --> 00:41:18,750 should cost small amounts . General , 1029 00:41:18,750 --> 00:41:20,694 when when we get into the software 1030 00:41:20,694 --> 00:41:22,694 related issues . You mentioned this 1031 00:41:22,694 --> 00:41:24,917 briefly . But one of the frustrations I 1032 00:41:24,917 --> 00:41:26,972 think of the committee and myself is 1033 00:41:26,972 --> 00:41:29,194 that as we have paid the private sector 1034 00:41:29,194 --> 00:41:31,460 to develop software , then they have 1035 00:41:31,460 --> 00:41:33,627 turned around and said , Well , now we 1036 00:41:33,627 --> 00:41:35,738 own it . Ah , even though we paid the 1037 00:41:35,738 --> 00:41:37,904 original cost of developing it the new 1038 00:41:37,904 --> 00:41:40,960 software , uh , synergy , innovation 1039 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,020 complex and other things Will we be 1040 00:41:43,020 --> 00:41:45,131 developing our own software , or will 1041 00:41:45,131 --> 00:41:47,770 we be predominantly updating the 1042 00:41:47,770 --> 00:41:49,790 software that we have in our in our 1043 00:41:49,790 --> 00:41:53,550 current platforms ? Congressman Scott , 1044 00:41:53,550 --> 00:41:55,439 thank you for that question . The 1045 00:41:55,439 --> 00:41:57,610 answer is both . Sir , uh , we have 1046 00:41:57,610 --> 00:42:01,370 expanded our historic software 1047 00:42:01,370 --> 00:42:03,820 maintenance mission now left into the 1048 00:42:03,830 --> 00:42:06,310 into the cycle and do an awful lot of 1049 00:42:06,310 --> 00:42:09,790 software development and support of our 1050 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,160 of our military weapons system program 1051 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,680 offices and certainly mentioned you 1052 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,791 refer to intellectual property of the 1053 00:42:16,791 --> 00:42:18,958 lead that there's often a boundary for 1054 00:42:18,958 --> 00:42:21,069 us and we cannot get past . And so we 1055 00:42:21,069 --> 00:42:22,902 work with the support of program 1056 00:42:22,902 --> 00:42:25,280 offices , uh , for legacy platforms 1057 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,447 because there is there are sustainment 1058 00:42:27,447 --> 00:42:29,502 opportunities that we're missing the 1059 00:42:29,502 --> 00:42:31,447 better news service , that for new 1060 00:42:31,447 --> 00:42:33,558 weapons systems in acquisition like B 1061 00:42:33,558 --> 00:42:36,860 21 G BSD , those programs are being 1062 00:42:36,860 --> 00:42:38,860 very innovative and doing the right 1063 00:42:38,860 --> 00:42:41,210 things contractually now so that we 1064 00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:43,910 will benefit with i p access for the 1065 00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:45,854 life cycle of that weapon system . 1066 00:42:45,854 --> 00:42:48,310 General , my my time is up . But the , 1067 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,740 uh , you sum up one of the things doing 1068 00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:52,796 the right things contractually , and 1069 00:42:52,796 --> 00:42:55,018 that that's an error that we've made as 1070 00:42:55,018 --> 00:42:58,090 a country in the past . Uh , that I'm 1071 00:42:58,090 --> 00:43:00,257 glad that we're not continuing to make 1072 00:43:00,257 --> 00:43:02,479 those errors . I look forward to seeing 1073 00:43:02,479 --> 00:43:04,534 you on Monday , and , uh , gentlemen 1074 00:43:04,534 --> 00:43:03,750 appreciate everything you do for the 1075 00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:06,420 country . I yield back . 1076 00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:11,589 Thank you very much . You're on a 1077 00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:13,700 series of questions there on the data 1078 00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:15,922 the availability of it . We're going to 1079 00:43:15,922 --> 00:43:18,089 work . This committee is going to work 1080 00:43:18,089 --> 00:43:19,978 very closely with the acquisition 1081 00:43:19,978 --> 00:43:21,478 committees , including the 1082 00:43:21,478 --> 00:43:23,820 appropriations to deal with the ongoing 1083 00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:28,450 problem of who owns the rights to 1084 00:43:28,450 --> 00:43:31,240 the software to the intellectual and 1085 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:33,860 actually to the data itself . So we're 1086 00:43:33,860 --> 00:43:37,210 going to go at that and full on . I see 1087 00:43:37,210 --> 00:43:40,400 Miss Spare has returned . Jackie , you 1088 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,511 have five minutes . 1089 00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:47,411 Mr . Sharon , can you hear me ? I can 1090 00:43:47,411 --> 00:43:51,230 barely hear you . You're good to go . 1091 00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:55,556 You're good to go . Jackie , can you 1092 00:43:55,556 --> 00:43:59,110 hear me ? Yes , we can . Okay , um , 1093 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,220 I have a question for General Kirkland 1094 00:44:03,590 --> 00:44:07,270 and Vice Admiral Peters at the 1095 00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:10,450 oversight hearing . In the last year , 1096 00:44:10,450 --> 00:44:14,380 I think we've focused on the problems 1097 00:44:14,380 --> 00:44:18,110 with the F 35 logistics system . 1098 00:44:18,110 --> 00:44:21,270 Alice , which has never worked well 1099 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,500 and is very burdensome to personnel . 1100 00:44:27,090 --> 00:44:29,300 What lock ? He keeps saying they're 1101 00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:32,510 fixing it . I'm curious as to whether 1102 00:44:32,510 --> 00:44:34,880 or not it has been replaced . At one 1103 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,658 point , they were talking about 1104 00:44:36,658 --> 00:44:38,713 replacing it . And have you seen any 1105 00:44:38,713 --> 00:44:42,100 improvements ? Mhm , 1106 00:44:43,890 --> 00:44:46,112 man . This , uh , Congresswoman , thank 1107 00:44:46,112 --> 00:44:48,168 you for your question . I'll I guess 1108 00:44:48,168 --> 00:44:50,223 I'll go first . Ma'am . I'll need to 1109 00:44:50,223 --> 00:44:52,390 take for a record . What our Air Force 1110 00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:54,279 is saying in terms of improvement 1111 00:44:54,279 --> 00:44:56,168 because it's both operational and 1112 00:44:56,168 --> 00:44:58,112 supply chain . I would not want to 1113 00:44:58,112 --> 00:45:00,223 hazard or get outside my lane there . 1114 00:45:00,223 --> 00:45:02,557 Ma'am , I can tell you that we are , uh , 1115 00:45:02,557 --> 00:45:04,690 working to control our future with 1116 00:45:04,690 --> 00:45:08,300 respect to F 35 software 1117 00:45:08,490 --> 00:45:11,040 through hands on ownership of the 1118 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,400 transition from Alice to the new coding 1119 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,511 system . It is currently being led by 1120 00:45:15,511 --> 00:45:18,140 our Kessel run software factory in the 1121 00:45:18,140 --> 00:45:19,862 Northeast . And they will soon 1122 00:45:19,862 --> 00:45:22,720 transition and expand to the Air Force 1123 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:25,120 Sustainment Center Enterprise mostly 1124 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,870 centered at R . Ogden A L C . Out of 1125 00:45:27,870 --> 00:45:31,220 Utah . Thank you . Mhm . 1126 00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:36,610 Yeah . Uh , ma'am will follow that 1127 00:45:36,620 --> 00:45:39,420 discussion by just mentioning that we 1128 00:45:39,420 --> 00:45:42,080 do continue to work very closely with 1129 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,910 the F 35 Joint program office to make 1130 00:45:44,910 --> 00:45:48,860 sure that Alice is functional for the F 1131 00:45:48,860 --> 00:45:51,860 35 c and its first deployment with the 1132 00:45:51,860 --> 00:45:55,700 F A 1 47 on USS Vinson coming up here 1133 00:45:55,710 --> 00:45:58,880 in the fall and , uh , to date , that 1134 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,600 is working . Uh , there are many , many 1135 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,822 problems associated with Alice . As you 1136 00:46:03,822 --> 00:46:07,400 mentioned . The overall plan is to 1137 00:46:07,410 --> 00:46:10,360 transition that system to Odin , and I 1138 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,138 think a key as general Kirkland 1139 00:46:12,138 --> 00:46:15,570 mentioned is to make sure that the the 1140 00:46:15,570 --> 00:46:17,681 Navy and the Marine Corps and the Air 1141 00:46:17,681 --> 00:46:19,620 Force are participating in that 1142 00:46:19,620 --> 00:46:21,287 development so that we're not 1143 00:46:21,287 --> 00:46:23,176 completely dependent on the prime 1144 00:46:23,176 --> 00:46:26,920 contractor . We pay exorbitant fees for 1145 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,087 the administration and the maintenance 1146 00:46:29,087 --> 00:46:31,920 of Alice and , uh , so this is all part 1147 00:46:31,930 --> 00:46:35,250 of the joint program . Officers plan to 1148 00:46:35,260 --> 00:46:37,350 reduce costs and to make that system 1149 00:46:37,350 --> 00:46:39,870 more effective . I agree with you 1150 00:46:39,870 --> 00:46:42,750 completely that it it is a difficult 1151 00:46:42,750 --> 00:46:45,730 system over How do we hold them 1152 00:46:45,730 --> 00:46:47,952 accountable ? As you pointed out , it's 1153 00:46:47,952 --> 00:46:49,730 been very expensive . They were 1154 00:46:49,730 --> 00:46:51,897 supposed to do this with a system that 1155 00:46:51,897 --> 00:46:54,119 works . It's never worked , and we keep 1156 00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:56,119 paying for the fact that it doesn't 1157 00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:58,119 work and paying all the maintenance 1158 00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:00,900 costs . It just seems like stupid is as 1159 00:47:00,900 --> 00:47:03,770 stupid does . Why are we doing the same 1160 00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:07,610 thing over and over again ? I 1161 00:47:07,610 --> 00:47:10,470 think we're completely invested now in 1162 00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:12,581 Alison , completely dependent on that 1163 00:47:12,581 --> 00:47:14,980 system for the operations . Without it , 1164 00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:17,750 we can only go a few days of flying , 1165 00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:20,270 so we have to work with the prime 1166 00:47:20,270 --> 00:47:22,770 contractor to make sure that that we 1167 00:47:22,770 --> 00:47:25,710 can get to the next segment here , too . 1168 00:47:26,180 --> 00:47:28,347 First , maintain what we have and then 1169 00:47:28,347 --> 00:47:31,420 to , uh , upgrade it and , uh , similar . 1170 00:47:31,420 --> 00:47:33,640 What ? General Kirkland said , Uh , 1171 00:47:33,650 --> 00:47:36,020 this is probably a better question for 1172 00:47:36,020 --> 00:47:38,310 the joint program office , Uh , and , 1173 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,040 uh , osd . But the , uh , we 1174 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,610 are in full , uh , cooperation with the 1175 00:47:45,610 --> 00:47:47,499 joint program office to make that 1176 00:47:47,499 --> 00:47:50,940 happen . Man . Yeah . All right , then 1177 00:47:50,940 --> 00:47:54,020 let me ask this . Do any of the parts 1178 00:47:54,020 --> 00:47:56,100 for the F 35 come from China ? 1179 00:48:02,770 --> 00:48:06,350 Does anyone know ? I will take a stab 1180 00:48:06,350 --> 00:48:09,020 at that . Just to say that we track , 1181 00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:12,050 uh , you know , the the main components 1182 00:48:12,050 --> 00:48:14,217 very closely . And I don't know of any 1183 00:48:14,217 --> 00:48:16,272 main components on the aircraft that 1184 00:48:16,272 --> 00:48:18,590 come from China . As you go down into 1185 00:48:18,590 --> 00:48:20,812 the supply chain at the third or fourth 1186 00:48:20,812 --> 00:48:22,979 tier , it's very likely that there are 1187 00:48:22,979 --> 00:48:25,110 some electronic parts that come from 1188 00:48:25,110 --> 00:48:28,270 China , but , uh , we'll have to take 1189 00:48:28,270 --> 00:48:30,326 that one for the record to get you a 1190 00:48:30,326 --> 00:48:32,330 more detailed response , man . All 1191 00:48:32,330 --> 00:48:34,497 right . Thank you , Mr . And I know my 1192 00:48:34,497 --> 00:48:37,300 time is almost expired . Let me just 1193 00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:40,210 suggest that as we think about 1194 00:48:40,210 --> 00:48:43,520 readiness in the future and the 1195 00:48:43,530 --> 00:48:46,490 maintenance of our equipment , we've 1196 00:48:46,490 --> 00:48:49,330 got to be very careful about any parts 1197 00:48:49,330 --> 00:48:52,370 coming from China . and the potential 1198 00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:56,350 for malware to be embedded into 1199 00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,310 any of that , uh , equipment or parts . 1200 00:49:00,310 --> 00:49:03,400 So , um , I would like to put that 1201 00:49:03,870 --> 00:49:05,870 front and center and make sure that 1202 00:49:05,870 --> 00:49:08,450 we're all , um , operating with our 1203 00:49:08,450 --> 00:49:10,394 eyes wide open . And with that , I 1204 00:49:10,394 --> 00:49:13,340 yield back . Mr Speaker , thank you 1205 00:49:13,340 --> 00:49:15,730 very much . Indeed . It is a major 1206 00:49:15,730 --> 00:49:18,470 concern . The entire F 35 system is of 1207 00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:20,692 enormous concern to the committee . The 1208 00:49:20,692 --> 00:49:22,760 chairman has weighed in on this and 1209 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,730 very big and important way this last 1210 00:49:26,730 --> 00:49:29,470 week . There are numerous meetings 1211 00:49:29,470 --> 00:49:31,690 going on . I'll make sure that all of 1212 00:49:31,690 --> 00:49:33,912 the all of my subcommittee members know 1213 00:49:33,912 --> 00:49:37,370 of those meetings . The F 35 is a huge 1214 00:49:37,370 --> 00:49:39,870 problem , and one of the principal 1215 00:49:39,870 --> 00:49:42,260 problems is that we buy more . Planes 1216 00:49:42,270 --> 00:49:44,330 were not able to maintain the older 1217 00:49:44,330 --> 00:49:47,010 ones . So the more we buy the worst the 1218 00:49:47,020 --> 00:49:50,120 overall performance has been that is 1219 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,480 going to stop on . There is a There is 1220 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,660 a very deep concern in this committee 1221 00:49:55,660 --> 00:49:58,480 about the F 35 overall , including the 1222 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,750 issue you raised Jackie and for General 1223 00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:04,890 Kirkland . The hearing yesterday in the 1224 00:50:04,890 --> 00:50:07,270 Strategic Arms subcommittee was 1225 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,820 extraordinarily troublesome to the 1226 00:50:10,820 --> 00:50:13,110 question that Spera raised about . By 1227 00:50:13,110 --> 00:50:15,332 the way , where's all that stuff coming 1228 00:50:15,332 --> 00:50:17,388 from ? As you put together all these 1229 00:50:17,388 --> 00:50:19,950 new platforms and particularly the 1230 00:50:19,950 --> 00:50:22,130 electronics of the software and the 1231 00:50:22,130 --> 00:50:25,420 like , it is an enormous concern across 1232 00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:28,200 all of this , and ultimately , it comes 1233 00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,310 down to the folks that are here in 1234 00:50:31,310 --> 00:50:33,530 uniform you're gonna be left with . 1235 00:50:33,540 --> 00:50:36,990 Okay . How do you fix it ? I don't know 1236 00:50:36,990 --> 00:50:39,101 that we have an answer . So we got to 1237 00:50:39,101 --> 00:50:41,250 start where atmosphere is that as you 1238 00:50:41,250 --> 00:50:44,410 start doing it in the first place . And 1239 00:50:44,410 --> 00:50:47,010 so , Jackie , stay on the issue . It's 1240 00:50:47,010 --> 00:50:50,110 an important one . Were formally passed 1241 00:50:50,110 --> 00:50:52,450 the time that the hearing we were 1242 00:50:52,450 --> 00:50:54,980 supposed to end about now we took a 1243 00:50:54,980 --> 00:50:57,930 half hour break in between . If the 1244 00:50:57,940 --> 00:51:00,218 presenters are willing to stick around , 1245 00:51:00,460 --> 00:51:02,516 I know that there's another round of 1246 00:51:02,516 --> 00:51:04,682 questions from Mr Lambert . And I know 1247 00:51:04,682 --> 00:51:07,570 Miss Laurie has one . Uh , I certainly 1248 00:51:07,570 --> 00:51:09,403 have about another five hours of 1249 00:51:09,403 --> 00:51:11,514 questions that I'm not going to ask . 1250 00:51:11,514 --> 00:51:13,737 Doug . You shaking your head ? That was 1251 00:51:13,737 --> 00:51:15,930 out of Yes , you are finished . You're 1252 00:51:15,930 --> 00:51:17,986 finished . Okay . I read your lips . 1253 00:51:17,986 --> 00:51:20,041 Didn't hear your sound , Miss Lord . 1254 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:22,971 Another round of questions . 1255 00:51:25,060 --> 00:51:26,949 Yes . Well , thank you , Chairman 1256 00:51:26,949 --> 00:51:28,949 Garamendi . Um and thank you to the 1257 00:51:28,949 --> 00:51:31,116 witnesses for for willing to to stay a 1258 00:51:31,116 --> 00:51:33,004 little bit longer and answer some 1259 00:51:33,004 --> 00:51:35,850 additional questions . Um , and our 1260 00:51:35,850 --> 00:51:38,730 primary focus , I think , should be 1261 00:51:38,730 --> 00:51:40,897 what we're going to do to increase our 1262 00:51:40,897 --> 00:51:42,786 presence in the Western Pacific , 1263 00:51:42,786 --> 00:51:45,008 encounter to the Chinese threat . And , 1264 00:51:45,008 --> 00:51:47,230 you know , in the CPA or Subcommittee , 1265 00:51:47,230 --> 00:51:49,452 we can talk about building more ships . 1266 00:51:49,452 --> 00:51:51,397 Um , but the other part is there's 1267 00:51:51,397 --> 00:51:53,508 three parts to this building warships 1268 00:51:53,508 --> 00:51:55,830 as quickly as we can operating the 1269 00:51:55,830 --> 00:51:57,886 ships that we have as efficiently as 1270 00:51:57,886 --> 00:52:00,052 possible . Which maintenance fits into 1271 00:52:00,052 --> 00:52:02,470 that and then not divesting of the 1272 00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:04,526 ships we have that still have usable 1273 00:52:04,526 --> 00:52:06,748 life . Um , so I want to touch on those 1274 00:52:06,748 --> 00:52:06,540 last two things , and I think we 1275 00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:08,596 already talked about the maintenance 1276 00:52:08,596 --> 00:52:10,318 and whether maintenance drives 1277 00:52:10,318 --> 00:52:12,040 operations are getting back to 1278 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,262 maintenance supporting operations . But 1279 00:52:14,262 --> 00:52:16,207 the last piece of that is that the 1280 00:52:16,207 --> 00:52:18,262 battle for 2045 of the plan that the 1281 00:52:18,262 --> 00:52:20,318 last administration put out . I feel 1282 00:52:20,318 --> 00:52:22,151 like we didn't get a lot of good 1283 00:52:22,151 --> 00:52:24,096 background information on what the 1284 00:52:24,096 --> 00:52:26,151 assumptions were made that helped to 1285 00:52:26,151 --> 00:52:26,010 build that plan . Some of those 1286 00:52:26,010 --> 00:52:28,232 assumptions are driven by the potential 1287 00:52:28,232 --> 00:52:30,399 adversary and how we respond to that . 1288 00:52:30,399 --> 00:52:32,288 But some of those assumptions are 1289 00:52:32,288 --> 00:52:34,399 driven by our capacity , our capacity 1290 00:52:34,399 --> 00:52:36,621 to the industrial base to build ships , 1291 00:52:36,621 --> 00:52:39,820 our capacity of our , you know , repair 1292 00:52:39,820 --> 00:52:42,042 community to repair those ships and get 1293 00:52:42,042 --> 00:52:44,770 them back out on deployment as quickly 1294 00:52:44,770 --> 00:52:47,540 as possible . Um , but the other piece 1295 00:52:47,550 --> 00:52:49,760 is we can't decommission ships faster 1296 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,982 than we could build them . Um , so that 1297 00:52:51,982 --> 00:52:54,940 plan does have a Decommissioning , I 1298 00:52:54,940 --> 00:52:56,829 think 10 cruisers in a very short 1299 00:52:56,829 --> 00:52:59,080 period of time . Um , and you know , I 1300 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,080 lived . I served as the X . I wanna 1301 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,247 cruiser the USS Anzio . We had a 14 ft 1302 00:53:03,247 --> 00:53:05,413 crack in the hangar bay . We had a lot 1303 00:53:05,413 --> 00:53:07,580 of issues , and we have not had any of 1304 00:53:07,580 --> 00:53:09,636 the age of many upgrades , Um , that 1305 00:53:09,636 --> 00:53:11,691 some of the other ships had had , um 1306 00:53:11,691 --> 00:53:13,636 But knowing that the combat system 1307 00:53:13,636 --> 00:53:15,469 upgrades are possible due to the 1308 00:53:15,469 --> 00:53:17,469 architecture of the ages system and 1309 00:53:17,469 --> 00:53:19,580 knowing that we've invested a sizable 1310 00:53:19,580 --> 00:53:19,270 amount of money and several of our 1311 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,660 cruisers , I would really like to know 1312 00:53:21,660 --> 00:53:23,493 our morgue . Alina's , um , some 1313 00:53:23,493 --> 00:53:25,890 perspective on , you know , call by 1314 00:53:25,890 --> 00:53:28,112 Hull . Can you provide this information 1315 00:53:28,112 --> 00:53:30,001 on those cruisers that still have 1316 00:53:30,001 --> 00:53:32,001 remaining life um , I think we need 1317 00:53:32,001 --> 00:53:33,946 them as air defense platforms . We 1318 00:53:33,946 --> 00:53:36,001 can't build flight three Ddgs faster 1319 00:53:36,001 --> 00:53:38,168 than we're planning on Decommissioning 1320 00:53:38,168 --> 00:53:40,446 the cruisers . And so I really like to , 1321 00:53:40,446 --> 00:53:40,120 And you might not able to provide the 1322 00:53:40,170 --> 00:53:42,226 granular information at this hearing 1323 00:53:42,226 --> 00:53:44,392 today , but have that information hole 1324 00:53:44,392 --> 00:53:46,559 by hole on what upgrades has been done 1325 00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:48,726 to the cruisers and what the estimated 1326 00:53:48,726 --> 00:53:51,003 cost would be to extend their lifetime . 1327 00:53:51,003 --> 00:53:52,948 Yes , ma'am . Done that . That's a 1328 00:53:52,948 --> 00:53:55,281 That's a great question . So , um , yes , 1329 00:53:55,281 --> 00:53:58,120 I will . I'll take for the record , uh , 1330 00:53:58,130 --> 00:54:00,510 to get back with you on a hole by hole 1331 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,576 assessment . We can We can certainly 1332 00:54:02,576 --> 00:54:04,576 provide that to you . What ? I will 1333 00:54:04,576 --> 00:54:06,576 tell you , you know , on the on the 1334 00:54:06,576 --> 00:54:08,631 Decommissioning of shifts and we did 1335 00:54:08,631 --> 00:54:10,798 take a hard look at that . Um , and it 1336 00:54:10,798 --> 00:54:12,964 really , uh , you know , in some cases 1337 00:54:12,964 --> 00:54:15,910 were , uh , i'll say , divesting of of 1338 00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:18,520 legacy capability , that , uh , in some 1339 00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,380 cases , it really is costing us a lot 1340 00:54:21,390 --> 00:54:23,950 to maintain . Um , and we're just not 1341 00:54:23,950 --> 00:54:25,672 getting I'll say the return on 1342 00:54:25,672 --> 00:54:27,394 investment from a war fighting 1343 00:54:27,394 --> 00:54:29,617 capability standpoint . So , you know , 1344 00:54:29,617 --> 00:54:31,839 we we make those trades , but it's also 1345 00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:34,061 an opportunity to uh , to kind of , you 1346 00:54:34,061 --> 00:54:36,283 know , reinvest that money and into new 1347 00:54:36,283 --> 00:54:38,394 capabilities . And we've got a number 1348 00:54:38,394 --> 00:54:38,250 of , uh , as you well know , new ship 1349 00:54:38,250 --> 00:54:41,560 designs . You know , either , uh , in 1350 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,449 the shipyard , in the case of the 1351 00:54:43,449 --> 00:54:45,671 frigate program up at marionette . Uh , 1352 00:54:45,671 --> 00:54:48,004 you know , we're looking closely now at , 1353 00:54:48,004 --> 00:54:50,060 uh at the D d G X program and that's 1354 00:54:50,060 --> 00:54:52,282 that's quickly starting to evolve . The 1355 00:54:52,282 --> 00:54:54,504 light obvious warship is coming along . 1356 00:54:54,504 --> 00:54:56,449 We're also looking to recapitalize 1357 00:54:56,449 --> 00:54:58,616 logistic ships as well as a lot of the 1358 00:54:58,616 --> 00:55:00,727 work that we're doing in the unmanned 1359 00:55:00,727 --> 00:55:02,893 systems . So I I think from a and then 1360 00:55:02,893 --> 00:55:05,060 not to mention what we're doing on the 1361 00:55:05,060 --> 00:55:05,050 on the submarine side as well , with 1362 00:55:05,050 --> 00:55:07,217 some some early design work on the S S 1363 00:55:07,217 --> 00:55:09,430 N X , right . So , um , you know , I 1364 00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:11,319 think we're kind of I'll say it a 1365 00:55:11,319 --> 00:55:12,763 little bit of a kind of a 1366 00:55:12,763 --> 00:55:14,986 transformational moment . Here are kind 1367 00:55:14,986 --> 00:55:17,152 of an on ship design , especially with 1368 00:55:17,152 --> 00:55:19,097 the , you know , with the unmanned 1369 00:55:19,097 --> 00:55:21,208 platforms . And I know that I'm sorry 1370 00:55:21,208 --> 00:55:23,400 to cut you off . I know you could talk 1371 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,289 at length about this , and we can 1372 00:55:25,289 --> 00:55:27,511 probably have a separate conversation , 1373 00:55:27,511 --> 00:55:29,789 but my time is limited . Um , you know , 1374 00:55:29,789 --> 00:55:31,956 I really just wanted to point out that 1375 00:55:31,956 --> 00:55:34,178 from our perspective , as lawmakers , I 1376 00:55:34,178 --> 00:55:36,456 feel like there isn't a clear strategy , 1377 00:55:36,456 --> 00:55:38,678 a clear maritime strategy . What is the 1378 00:55:38,678 --> 00:55:40,900 goal ? Do we need to have more presence 1379 00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:43,067 there today ? And if that's the case , 1380 00:55:43,067 --> 00:55:44,900 I feel like you would have clear 1381 00:55:44,900 --> 00:55:46,956 direction to say I'm focusing all my 1382 00:55:46,956 --> 00:55:48,844 efforts on getting that , getting 1383 00:55:48,844 --> 00:55:48,530 everything we have out of the ships 1384 00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:51,060 that we already have because we have 1385 00:55:51,060 --> 00:55:53,282 them and we know their capabilities and 1386 00:55:53,282 --> 00:55:55,504 their limitations . But we can put them 1387 00:55:55,504 --> 00:55:57,671 there today and make them part of this 1388 00:55:57,671 --> 00:55:59,893 complex battle problem . Um , but , you 1389 00:55:59,893 --> 00:56:02,227 know , without a clear vision like that , 1390 00:56:02,227 --> 00:56:04,449 you know , it seems like we're all over 1391 00:56:04,449 --> 00:56:04,050 the place . We are focused on new 1392 00:56:04,050 --> 00:56:06,410 capabilities . I'm all for research and 1393 00:56:06,410 --> 00:56:08,132 development and developing new 1394 00:56:08,132 --> 00:56:10,299 capabilities . We have had a bad track 1395 00:56:10,299 --> 00:56:12,521 record on development of several of our 1396 00:56:12,521 --> 00:56:14,688 last classes of ships and not reaching 1397 00:56:14,688 --> 00:56:14,300 the full operational capability that we 1398 00:56:14,300 --> 00:56:16,522 wanted to see us in the mission modules 1399 00:56:16,522 --> 00:56:18,810 DDG 1000 , and we can talk about those 1400 00:56:18,810 --> 00:56:20,977 things separately . But you know , and 1401 00:56:20,977 --> 00:56:23,199 and it's just it's kind of clear in the 1402 00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:25,366 comments as well that you just made on 1403 00:56:25,366 --> 00:56:27,477 the previous questions that I ask . I 1404 00:56:27,477 --> 00:56:29,699 mean , you said we just we just sort of 1405 00:56:29,699 --> 00:56:31,866 notionally came up with a 20 year plan 1406 00:56:31,866 --> 00:56:34,032 for the shipyard optimization . But if 1407 00:56:34,032 --> 00:56:33,760 you had more clear guidance , you might 1408 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,120 be saying , , I need to get this done 1409 00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,342 in five years . And what do we need for 1410 00:56:38,342 --> 00:56:40,564 that ? But I'm just kind of putting all 1411 00:56:40,564 --> 00:56:42,620 of this into the perspective of , um 1412 00:56:42,620 --> 00:56:45,020 and and perhaps you agree or disagree , 1413 00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:46,974 Um , that there just isn't a clear 1414 00:56:46,974 --> 00:56:49,197 vision of what our priority is and what 1415 00:56:49,197 --> 00:56:51,363 the urgency is . Do you feel like more 1416 00:56:51,363 --> 00:56:53,419 guidance and vision on that Would be 1417 00:56:53,419 --> 00:56:55,419 helpful for you to prioritize these 1418 00:56:55,419 --> 00:56:58,960 issues . Yes , ma'am . No , I feel like 1419 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,670 we have the right the right guidance in 1420 00:57:01,670 --> 00:57:03,781 the in the right strategy out there . 1421 00:57:03,930 --> 00:57:06,290 So what is the guidance ? Is it ? The 1422 00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:08,730 battle for 2045 is a previous 30 year 1423 00:57:08,730 --> 00:57:10,841 shipbuilding plans , like none of the 1424 00:57:10,841 --> 00:57:13,160 guidance that I see is very granular . 1425 00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,327 And it really doesn't say like this is 1426 00:57:15,327 --> 00:57:19,160 our number one priority . Okay . Um , 1427 00:57:19,170 --> 00:57:22,290 yeah , I can see I You know , maybe , 1428 00:57:22,300 --> 00:57:24,356 uh , with where we stand with the 30 1429 00:57:24,356 --> 00:57:26,689 year shipbuilding plan . But , you know , 1430 00:57:26,689 --> 00:57:28,967 the force structure work has been done . 1431 00:57:28,967 --> 00:57:30,967 I'll say over the last , you know , 1432 00:57:30,967 --> 00:57:33,022 year . So I think that provides some 1433 00:57:33,022 --> 00:57:35,133 some pretty good indications in terms 1434 00:57:35,133 --> 00:57:37,133 of the capabilities required with a 1435 00:57:37,133 --> 00:57:39,244 couple of different options on how to 1436 00:57:39,244 --> 00:57:41,411 out of you know how to equip that that 1437 00:57:41,411 --> 00:57:43,411 force with that capability . So how 1438 00:57:43,411 --> 00:57:46,690 much input did you have into that plan ? 1439 00:57:46,700 --> 00:57:48,922 Okay . Sorry , Chairman . Their money . 1440 00:57:48,922 --> 00:57:51,000 I know we're going to try to pay a 1441 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,167 little bit of attention to the clock , 1442 00:57:54,380 --> 00:57:57,350 provocative , and you're getting down a 1443 00:57:57,350 --> 00:58:00,330 path that we need to pay attention to . 1444 00:58:00,340 --> 00:58:02,396 Some of that path is over in the sea 1445 00:58:02,396 --> 00:58:04,580 power , and I know that you're used to 1446 00:58:04,580 --> 00:58:07,310 sit on that , but all of this tends to 1447 00:58:07,310 --> 00:58:10,050 come back to this committee . Whatever 1448 00:58:10,050 --> 00:58:12,050 those ships are , if we're going to 1449 00:58:12,050 --> 00:58:14,272 maintain , if we're going to hang on to 1450 00:58:14,272 --> 00:58:16,217 the cruisers , somebody's going to 1451 00:58:16,217 --> 00:58:18,950 maintain them , and this committee is 1452 00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:20,783 going to be responsible for that 1453 00:58:20,783 --> 00:58:23,310 maintenance . So there's an inter 1454 00:58:23,310 --> 00:58:26,840 interoperability here between this , um , 1455 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,160 one of the things that goes beyond this 1456 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,382 committee , and I know all of us sit on 1457 00:58:32,382 --> 00:58:35,740 multiple subcommittees is the new . 1458 00:58:36,620 --> 00:58:38,890 The new administration is going to look 1459 00:58:38,890 --> 00:58:42,400 at its strategies . And 1460 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,550 sometime probably towards the end of 1461 00:58:44,550 --> 00:58:46,880 this year , maybe early next year there 1462 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,980 will be a new military strategy laid 1463 00:58:49,980 --> 00:58:52,750 out China , Russia or whatever 1464 00:58:53,220 --> 00:58:56,110 and the space Force and all the rest . 1465 00:58:56,130 --> 00:58:58,450 Ultimately , this committee must pay 1466 00:58:58,450 --> 00:59:00,561 attention to that because all of that 1467 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,210 will require continued maintenance and 1468 00:59:04,210 --> 00:59:06,790 its operational capabilities . And so 1469 00:59:06,790 --> 00:59:10,460 we'll be engaged in observing what 1470 00:59:10,460 --> 00:59:14,360 that strategy is Looking at the 1471 00:59:14,370 --> 00:59:17,610 new equipment , platforms , satellites , 1472 00:59:17,610 --> 00:59:21,600 et cetera . And then Okay , how's 1473 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,220 it going to get maintained ? What are 1474 00:59:24,220 --> 00:59:26,387 the resources necessary ? What are the 1475 00:59:26,387 --> 00:59:28,650 facilities necessary ? So a lot of 1476 00:59:28,650 --> 00:59:32,360 what's going on here is in flux . And , 1477 00:59:32,370 --> 00:59:34,490 Miss Laurie , your question is 1478 00:59:34,490 --> 00:59:37,530 provocative and necessary . 1479 00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:42,290 I'm going to I think , uh , all the 1480 00:59:42,290 --> 00:59:44,512 other members have left . If that's not 1481 00:59:44,512 --> 00:59:47,140 the case , let me know you have Mr 1482 00:59:47,140 --> 00:59:49,196 Wilson . You are still here . You've 1483 00:59:49,196 --> 00:59:51,196 got another round of questions , Mr 1484 00:59:51,196 --> 00:59:53,418 Wilson . Thank you , Mr Chairman . I do 1485 00:59:53,418 --> 00:59:55,307 have a final question for General 1486 00:59:55,307 --> 00:59:57,490 Gamble , and that is I'm very grateful 1487 00:59:57,490 --> 01:00:00,940 to represent for Jackson . Uh , General 1488 01:00:00,940 --> 01:00:03,700 Milford Beagle has just been a a super 1489 01:00:03,700 --> 01:00:06,980 leader at the Post we will miss him , 1490 01:00:06,990 --> 01:00:09,800 but always a problem that has to be 1491 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,420 addressed . And the word flux comes to 1492 01:00:12,420 --> 01:00:14,587 mind that the chairman just used . And 1493 01:00:14,587 --> 01:00:16,642 that is when we have sequestration . 1494 01:00:16,642 --> 01:00:20,400 And so how is the army , uh , handling 1495 01:00:20,410 --> 01:00:22,930 the indecisiveness of 1496 01:00:23,410 --> 01:00:25,900 sequestration ? And are are we back on 1497 01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:28,260 track , maintaining our capabilities 1498 01:00:28,300 --> 01:00:29,856 despite the sequestration , 1499 01:00:33,110 --> 01:00:35,388 Congressman , thanks for your question . 1500 01:00:35,388 --> 01:00:37,610 Uh , for four jacks in particular . You 1501 01:00:37,610 --> 01:00:39,721 know , the chief is you know , that's 1502 01:00:39,721 --> 01:00:41,666 where we bring in new soldiers and 1503 01:00:41,666 --> 01:00:43,499 train our future soldiers . It's 1504 01:00:43,499 --> 01:00:46,320 actually absolutely decisive to our 1505 01:00:46,330 --> 01:00:49,680 long term health of our army . The flow 1506 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,000 of young men and women committed to the 1507 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,240 defense of our nation going through 1508 01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,407 there , the chief of staff of the Army 1509 01:00:56,407 --> 01:00:59,280 has prioritized people first , uh , and , 1510 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,930 uh , and all investments investments 1511 01:01:01,940 --> 01:01:03,829 associated with that . One of the 1512 01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:06,051 investments is in predictability of the 1513 01:01:06,051 --> 01:01:08,610 flow of new recruits coming through our 1514 01:01:08,610 --> 01:01:11,020 pipelines . Uh , during covid , we 1515 01:01:11,020 --> 01:01:12,909 thought we would be challenged in 1516 01:01:12,909 --> 01:01:14,970 recruiting , and we met and exceeded 1517 01:01:14,970 --> 01:01:18,860 our goals . So I I believe despite , uh , 1518 01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:22,140 you know , flux as you , as you rightly 1519 01:01:22,140 --> 01:01:24,710 described it , fluctuations in many 1520 01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:27,000 things . Our economy , you know , our 1521 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,778 levels of funding whatever that 1522 01:01:28,778 --> 01:01:30,889 wherever those fluctuations come from 1523 01:01:30,889 --> 01:01:33,290 Army recruiting , command and the 1524 01:01:33,290 --> 01:01:36,420 leadership of our leaders , it Fort 1525 01:01:36,420 --> 01:01:38,870 Jackson and for betting and other 1526 01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:41,037 places where we train our new soldiers 1527 01:01:41,037 --> 01:01:43,148 have has been absolutely , you know , 1528 01:01:43,148 --> 01:01:45,370 phenomenal to smooth that out . But the 1529 01:01:45,370 --> 01:01:47,481 leadership of our chief , the support 1530 01:01:47,481 --> 01:01:49,314 your committee gives us has been 1531 01:01:49,314 --> 01:01:51,370 absolutely critical for that . Thank 1532 01:01:51,370 --> 01:01:53,860 you . Well , and it is so inspiring 1533 01:01:53,870 --> 01:01:56,160 when I'm at Columbia Airport to see the 1534 01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,160 young recruits coming in with their 1535 01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,049 brown manila envelopes . You know 1536 01:02:00,049 --> 01:02:02,216 exactly who they are and where they're 1537 01:02:02,216 --> 01:02:04,327 going and greeted by the USO and then 1538 01:02:04,327 --> 01:02:07,110 vote to see the very warm welcome by 1539 01:02:07,110 --> 01:02:09,730 drill sergeants . And so again , thank 1540 01:02:09,730 --> 01:02:12,800 you for your service . And I know that 1541 01:02:12,810 --> 01:02:14,977 my military service 31 using the guard 1542 01:02:14,977 --> 01:02:16,866 three sons who have served in the 1543 01:02:16,866 --> 01:02:18,921 garden in Iraq , each of Afghanistan 1544 01:02:18,921 --> 01:02:21,088 and my youngest son , a good friend of 1545 01:02:21,088 --> 01:02:23,366 Chairman Garrett Monday as an engineer . 1546 01:02:23,366 --> 01:02:26,290 Uh , military service is so important . 1547 01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:28,411 Thank you . And I yield back . Yeah , 1548 01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,320 Thank you very much , Mr Wilson . We 1549 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,370 have I believe all of the members that 1550 01:02:35,380 --> 01:02:37,547 have had that are still on have had at 1551 01:02:37,547 --> 01:02:39,213 least one additional round of 1552 01:02:39,213 --> 01:02:41,570 questioning . So we're going to moved 1553 01:02:41,570 --> 01:02:44,780 to the end of this hearing . A couple 1554 01:02:44,780 --> 01:02:47,680 of things . I'm gonna put a couple of 1555 01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:49,902 things on the line . General Kirkland . 1556 01:02:50,100 --> 01:02:53,630 In the most recent hearings Strategic 1557 01:02:53,630 --> 01:02:57,170 arms and the other 1558 01:02:57,170 --> 01:02:59,880 hearings , the Air Force is going to 1559 01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:03,600 have a large number of new 1560 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,250 platforms , extremely sophisticated 1561 01:03:07,250 --> 01:03:09,280 platforms . Some of this is still 1562 01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,010 classified . Some is out there publicly . 1563 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,440 Um , we need to know this 1564 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,607 committee needs to know how . What are 1565 01:03:18,607 --> 01:03:21,900 your maintenance plans for those new 1566 01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:24,710 platforms ? I don't want to have 1567 01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:28,380 another F 35 fiasco , so 1568 01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:31,450 let's let's start , we we need to know . 1569 01:03:31,450 --> 01:03:34,620 So that goes all the way down the G B s 1570 01:03:34,620 --> 01:03:37,920 d two A . A lot of other things . 1571 01:03:38,700 --> 01:03:41,730 So I want to have a briefing from you 1572 01:03:42,100 --> 01:03:44,430 within the next three or four months 1573 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,120 about the integration of your 1574 01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:51,360 maintenance plans with the new 1575 01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:54,010 platforms . Okay . Some of the others 1576 01:03:54,010 --> 01:03:56,240 of the navy . Similarly , you have some 1577 01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,270 new things coming on . So how are you 1578 01:03:59,270 --> 01:04:01,560 going to maintain those ? The Marine 1579 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:03,671 Corps ? You're You've got a whole new 1580 01:04:03,671 --> 01:04:06,420 strategy in the Marine Corps . So what 1581 01:04:07,090 --> 01:04:10,100 does that mean to this committee ? We 1582 01:04:10,100 --> 01:04:12,100 haven't heard yet . We do know that 1583 01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:14,156 you're about . I guess you're having 1584 01:04:14,156 --> 01:04:17,150 all of your slightly used Abrams . 1585 01:04:17,150 --> 01:04:19,317 You're sending them over to the Army , 1586 01:04:19,317 --> 01:04:21,428 and the Army is going . What the hell 1587 01:04:21,428 --> 01:04:23,539 did you do to maintain these things ? 1588 01:04:23,539 --> 01:04:25,706 So you guys work that out , but let us 1589 01:04:25,706 --> 01:04:27,761 know . Okay , What might be going on 1590 01:04:27,761 --> 01:04:30,590 here ? So what I'm looking at here is 1591 01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:34,030 the looking at these things from the 1592 01:04:34,030 --> 01:04:36,086 beginning , all the way to the end . 1593 01:04:36,086 --> 01:04:38,419 And Miss Lori was talking about the end . 1594 01:04:38,690 --> 01:04:40,634 Are the cruiser is really going to 1595 01:04:40,634 --> 01:04:42,746 disappear ? Well , there's this whole 1596 01:04:42,746 --> 01:04:45,560 new china strategy . Mm . How does that 1597 01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,560 fit into all of this ? So I want to I 1598 01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,010 want to be clear with all that . Also , 1599 01:04:51,390 --> 01:04:53,057 we're gonna go back at this . 1600 01:04:53,057 --> 01:04:54,723 Yesterday's hearing there was 1601 01:04:56,990 --> 01:04:59,212 It was classified . It won't take it up 1602 01:04:59,212 --> 01:05:01,379 now . I'll get you , Mr Kirk . General 1603 01:05:01,379 --> 01:05:03,268 Kirkland on this in a different , 1604 01:05:03,268 --> 01:05:06,950 different format . Um , I've talked a 1605 01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:10,340 lot about data , I wonder . Were here 1606 01:05:10,340 --> 01:05:12,420 from all of you about data mining . 1607 01:05:13,590 --> 01:05:16,710 Somewhere in your records are 1608 01:05:17,490 --> 01:05:20,670 paper forms of platforms that you're 1609 01:05:20,670 --> 01:05:23,550 still operating and maintaining . 1610 01:05:23,740 --> 01:05:25,796 Probably going back a decade , maybe 1611 01:05:25,796 --> 01:05:29,320 two or three decades That data may be 1612 01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:32,290 very useful in determining what you 1613 01:05:32,290 --> 01:05:34,850 need to repair tomorrow . What's gonna 1614 01:05:34,850 --> 01:05:37,270 break tomorrow ? What's going to be 1615 01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:40,570 required ? The Air Force has a good 1616 01:05:40,570 --> 01:05:43,800 program underway on this . Uh , it's , 1617 01:05:43,810 --> 01:05:45,921 uh it's going to need to be supported 1618 01:05:45,921 --> 01:05:49,290 General Kirkland , uh , with some 1619 01:05:49,290 --> 01:05:50,957 additional personnel and some 1620 01:05:50,957 --> 01:05:52,846 additional money . But it is data 1621 01:05:52,846 --> 01:05:54,846 mining , a lot of historic data . I 1622 01:05:54,846 --> 01:05:58,400 think it's a I recall the C five it is 1623 01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,550 C 17 specifically , and I believe there 1624 01:06:01,550 --> 01:06:03,772 is one other platform that you're using 1625 01:06:03,772 --> 01:06:07,500 as a example , but and then with 1626 01:06:08,380 --> 01:06:11,250 using that analytical , using that data 1627 01:06:11,250 --> 01:06:15,120 for analytical analysis of what 1628 01:06:15,130 --> 01:06:17,241 you need in terms of parts and what's 1629 01:06:17,241 --> 01:06:19,450 going to break next predictive 1630 01:06:19,460 --> 01:06:21,571 maintenance , I believe , is the word 1631 01:06:21,571 --> 01:06:23,580 that we decided to settle on . I'm 1632 01:06:23,580 --> 01:06:25,650 bringing that to your attention . I 1633 01:06:25,650 --> 01:06:28,020 think it's important enough to really 1634 01:06:28,020 --> 01:06:30,610 force the money to be made available , 1635 01:06:30,610 --> 01:06:32,554 and I think it's a small amount of 1636 01:06:32,554 --> 01:06:34,888 money for the rest of you that are here . 1637 01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,024 Watch closely this best practice , 1638 01:06:37,024 --> 01:06:39,450 which may be a best practice if it 1639 01:06:39,450 --> 01:06:41,617 turns out I think you're going to know 1640 01:06:41,617 --> 01:06:43,839 within the next six months , whether it 1641 01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:45,894 is or not . If it is share that best 1642 01:06:45,894 --> 01:06:49,500 practice across the forces and get 1643 01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:52,590 ready to go do some data mining . Um , 1644 01:06:53,380 --> 01:06:56,920 finally , there are two elements that 1645 01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,210 the president is pushing and the 1646 01:06:59,210 --> 01:07:02,000 Congress , and that's called equity 1647 01:07:02,980 --> 01:07:05,290 that is equity and hiring 1648 01:07:06,620 --> 01:07:09,730 the minority communities we haven't 1649 01:07:09,730 --> 01:07:11,841 dealt . We've dealt a lot with hiring 1650 01:07:12,180 --> 01:07:16,080 at thus part in the various 1651 01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,790 questions asked by the members . I was 1652 01:07:18,790 --> 01:07:21,490 going to add early on that that equity 1653 01:07:21,490 --> 01:07:25,400 issue needs to be a part of that hiring 1654 01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,120 equations . So keep that in mind , 1655 01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:30,176 we'll come back and ask you specific 1656 01:07:30,176 --> 01:07:32,560 questions . If I don't , I guarantee 1657 01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,671 there's about 200 other Democrats are 1658 01:07:34,671 --> 01:07:37,530 going to ask so and quite possibly the 1659 01:07:37,530 --> 01:07:39,363 president , or at least the vice 1660 01:07:39,363 --> 01:07:41,586 president , another one that I know all 1661 01:07:41,586 --> 01:07:43,697 of us are interested in . And that is 1662 01:07:43,697 --> 01:07:45,919 the small businesses . It was discussed 1663 01:07:45,919 --> 01:07:48,870 earlier today , more in passing than in 1664 01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:51,770 specificity . There are the small 1665 01:07:51,770 --> 01:07:54,090 business opportunities that exist . I 1666 01:07:54,090 --> 01:07:56,312 think it was . Mr Scott brought this up 1667 01:07:56,312 --> 01:07:59,530 around all of the depots . Some of that 1668 01:07:59,530 --> 01:08:02,610 has to do with the new 1669 01:08:02,620 --> 01:08:04,970 technologies and the integration of the 1670 01:08:04,970 --> 01:08:07,080 new technology . So the small 1671 01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,480 businesses will also issue that I know 1672 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,480 that Congress is interested in both 1673 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,650 Democrat and Republican side . They're 1674 01:08:14,650 --> 01:08:16,761 gonna bang on me , and I'm gonna bang 1675 01:08:16,761 --> 01:08:20,290 on you . And so pay attention to the 1676 01:08:20,290 --> 01:08:22,880 small business opportunities that exist 1677 01:08:22,890 --> 01:08:26,490 around your depots and maintenance 1678 01:08:26,490 --> 01:08:29,610 facilities . So with that , 1679 01:08:29,620 --> 01:08:32,440 I'm not run my entire string of 1680 01:08:32,440 --> 01:08:34,662 questions , but probably enough for the 1681 01:08:34,662 --> 01:08:37,450 hour . And plus , uh , thank you for 1682 01:08:37,450 --> 01:08:39,672 the willingness to stick around through 1683 01:08:39,672 --> 01:08:43,630 our 30 minute recess . With 1684 01:08:43,630 --> 01:08:46,520 that , I formally adjourn this hearing . 1685 01:08:46,530 --> 01:08:48,490 Thank you all for your participation .