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(Interviewer)The person who introduced you at your confirmation 
hearing, Secretary Gates, always, always told us that  

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the hardest thing to do is change the culture of 
any organization. Is this group, this workforce  

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group, meant to be like a spur for change?
 
(Deputy Defense Secretary Kathleen H. Hicks) 
Absolutely. So, if you, again, looking at the  

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model of how we've thought about budgets in the 
past going back, you know, generations, the way to  

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bring unity of effort in the department is to 
signal consistently the leadership's investment --  

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their interest and their investment of time in 
those issues; and, you know, when that process on  

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the budget side has worked, well, I think there's a 
general view that the department has done better  

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in terms of connecting that strategy to policy, 
to budget. We want to do exactly the same thing  

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on the workforce issues. Of course, each service, for 
example, or each component, has unique requirements,  

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has unique perspective. We want to bring those 
together and demonstrate that we can have  

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unified approaches; that there will be sustained 
leadership attention on these issues, because  

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that's how we will change the culture. 

(Interviewer)It won't be just the flavor of the day. 
(Hicks)That's right. (Interviewer)This will continue. 
(Hicks)Yeah. The, the theme really is one 
of endurance, frankly, and you mentioned Secretary  

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Gates. You know, he was very clear in private 
conversations with me when, we chatted prior to  

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my confirmation, that, that demonstrating that kind 
of consistency and endurance was, is incredibly  

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important. And, you know, as you and I know, I've 
been around this building a long time; you've been  

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around this building a long time. People will wait 
you out for anything. So you have to put in place  

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processes to demonstrate that you get that, again, 
that they have stakeholder perspectives that  

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you want to hear, and, and you want to bring to 
bear, but at the end of the day, you are here to  

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change culture, and you're going to stay committed 
to those areas. So, this is a demonstration of that.