1 00:00:00,940 --> 00:00:03,460 Good morning . I'm john Sherman the 2 00:00:03,460 --> 00:00:05,127 Department of Defense . Chief 3 00:00:05,127 --> 00:00:07,238 Information Officer and I'm joined by 4 00:00:07,238 --> 00:00:10,010 my colleague Dr Craig Martell , the new 5 00:00:10,020 --> 00:00:13,280 chief digital and AI officer or Cdo 6 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,660 here at the department defense , we're 7 00:00:15,660 --> 00:00:17,771 honored to be speaking with you today 8 00:00:17,771 --> 00:00:19,993 and we're going to have a far side chat 9 00:00:19,993 --> 00:00:22,104 to talk about how C . I . O . And C D 10 00:00:22,104 --> 00:00:24,700 AO are going to work together as C D AO 11 00:00:24,700 --> 00:00:27,910 gets rolling here and just to set this 12 00:00:27,910 --> 00:00:30,660 up here . C . D . A . O . Has been 13 00:00:30,660 --> 00:00:33,150 established to create decision 14 00:00:33,150 --> 00:00:35,261 advantage for the department from the 15 00:00:35,261 --> 00:00:37,483 boardroom to the battlefield , bringing 16 00:00:37,483 --> 00:00:39,650 together the best of what we can do in 17 00:00:39,650 --> 00:00:42,440 a I and Ml data and digital services to 18 00:00:42,450 --> 00:00:44,283 get after the key decisions that 19 00:00:44,283 --> 00:00:46,350 Secretary Austin , Deputy Secretary 20 00:00:46,350 --> 00:00:48,517 Hicks are combatant commanders and our 21 00:00:48,517 --> 00:00:50,517 battlefield leaders will need to be 22 00:00:50,517 --> 00:00:52,350 able to stay ahead of our pacing 23 00:00:52,350 --> 00:00:54,520 challenge and any other challenges we 24 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,576 have in front of us . So I'm looking 25 00:00:56,576 --> 00:00:58,631 forward to talking with you today dr 26 00:00:58,631 --> 00:01:00,520 martel about how we're gonna work 27 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,353 together . Thank you Mr Chairman 28 00:01:02,353 --> 00:01:04,520 appreciate being here . Okay . Maybe a 29 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,750 little bit about just briefly craig , 30 00:01:06,750 --> 00:01:08,917 I'm really interested and I'm sure the 31 00:01:08,917 --> 00:01:10,972 audiences as well . Why did you take 32 00:01:10,972 --> 00:01:13,390 this job ? I mean , coming from 33 00:01:13,390 --> 00:01:15,890 industry and and coming into such a 34 00:01:15,890 --> 00:01:18,120 heavy lift here . Yeah , I mean the 35 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,670 short answer is the mission , the 36 00:01:20,670 --> 00:01:23,440 longer answer is the mission and the 37 00:01:23,450 --> 00:01:25,617 depth sack made it easier for me to do 38 00:01:25,617 --> 00:01:29,130 it . So um you know when there's not a 39 00:01:29,130 --> 00:01:31,770 lot of folks that have a combination of 40 00:01:31,780 --> 00:01:33,780 D . O . D background and artificial 41 00:01:33,780 --> 00:01:35,836 intelligence background , industrial 42 00:01:35,836 --> 00:01:37,502 level artificial intelligence 43 00:01:37,502 --> 00:01:39,502 background . And so when the Deputy 44 00:01:39,502 --> 00:01:41,724 Secretary Defense calls you up and says 45 00:01:41,724 --> 00:01:43,780 hey would you would you take on this 46 00:01:43,780 --> 00:01:43,650 role ? You have to think really hard 47 00:01:43,650 --> 00:01:46,170 about why you wouldn't do it . And so I 48 00:01:46,170 --> 00:01:48,337 did that , I thought really hard , but 49 00:01:48,337 --> 00:01:50,392 why wouldn't I do this ? And some of 50 00:01:50,392 --> 00:01:52,614 the reasons were you know , it's it's a 51 00:01:52,614 --> 00:01:54,837 pay cut for sure coming from industry . 52 00:01:54,837 --> 00:01:56,837 But um the mission is much stronger 53 00:01:56,837 --> 00:01:59,059 than that for me . We really do need to 54 00:01:59,059 --> 00:02:01,281 beat our pacing adversaries . Um Uh and 55 00:02:01,281 --> 00:02:03,281 so it's mostly mission driven but I 56 00:02:03,281 --> 00:02:05,392 have young Children , so I have an 11 57 00:02:05,392 --> 00:02:07,503 year old girl and a five year old boy 58 00:02:07,503 --> 00:02:09,726 and I'm now bicoastal with young kids . 59 00:02:09,726 --> 00:02:11,503 And so the flexibility that the 60 00:02:11,503 --> 00:02:13,614 organization has allowed for me to to 61 00:02:13,614 --> 00:02:15,781 be virtual as much as I can to be here 62 00:02:15,781 --> 00:02:17,837 whenever I need to be . Um That that 63 00:02:17,837 --> 00:02:20,059 was sort of the piece that made it made 64 00:02:20,059 --> 00:02:20,050 it possible for me and most people know 65 00:02:20,050 --> 00:02:22,161 this but you were until very recently 66 00:02:22,161 --> 00:02:24,328 the head of machine learning at lift , 67 00:02:24,328 --> 00:02:26,550 correct , correct . And before that and 68 00:02:26,550 --> 00:02:28,161 so there there we ran we ran 69 00:02:28,161 --> 00:02:30,217 centralized teams similar to what we 70 00:02:30,217 --> 00:02:31,994 want to get done at C . D A . O 71 00:02:31,994 --> 00:02:33,828 centralized teams that built the 72 00:02:33,828 --> 00:02:35,661 infrastructure for all the folks 73 00:02:35,661 --> 00:02:37,439 building ai at lift , which was 74 00:02:37,439 --> 00:02:39,606 distributed across the whole company . 75 00:02:39,606 --> 00:02:41,828 We also had a set of experts um similar 76 00:02:41,828 --> 00:02:44,510 to the ADa the ADA teams we have here 77 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,520 that would dive in do deep dives to 78 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,742 really hard problems and before that we 79 00:02:48,742 --> 00:02:50,960 I ran machine learning for dropbox . 80 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:53,910 Before that I did a lot of work on Ai 81 00:02:53,910 --> 00:02:55,880 linkedin and a long time ago in a 82 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,936 previous life , I was a professor at 83 00:02:57,936 --> 00:02:59,880 the naval postgraduate at NPS . So 84 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,047 you've really done machine learning at 85 00:03:02,047 --> 00:03:04,300 massive scale and that's and and and 86 00:03:04,310 --> 00:03:06,532 everything that goes into that with the 87 00:03:06,532 --> 00:03:09,080 data with the teens , with getting 88 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,302 after something so large and being able 89 00:03:11,302 --> 00:03:13,302 to bring that here to D . O . D . I 90 00:03:13,302 --> 00:03:15,469 have I've done I've done it at massive 91 00:03:15,469 --> 00:03:17,636 scale . And and if you think about the 92 00:03:17,636 --> 00:03:19,802 number of riders and drivers there are 93 00:03:19,802 --> 00:03:22,024 at any given second at lift and how you 94 00:03:22,024 --> 00:03:24,024 have to match them together for the 95 00:03:24,024 --> 00:03:26,136 right type of car , the right type of 96 00:03:26,136 --> 00:03:28,247 destination . Do you want that driver 97 00:03:28,247 --> 00:03:30,358 to be where you want the driver to be 98 00:03:30,358 --> 00:03:30,320 after you drop a person off ? So I've 99 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,640 definitely done it at scale . I've not 100 00:03:32,640 --> 00:03:35,640 done it at scale uh with the 101 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,860 bureaucratic resistance that I I 102 00:03:37,860 --> 00:03:40,027 predict will be here at D . O . D . So 103 00:03:40,027 --> 00:03:42,193 as you pointed out , it's like a video 104 00:03:42,193 --> 00:03:44,304 game and that's the next level of the 105 00:03:44,304 --> 00:03:46,304 video game . Welcome to AI at scale 106 00:03:46,304 --> 00:03:48,527 with bureaucracy and that's where we're 107 00:03:48,527 --> 00:03:50,638 going now , that's definitely one way 108 00:03:50,638 --> 00:03:53,200 to look at it there . Um So look john 109 00:03:53,210 --> 00:03:56,830 I'm I'm really thankful for your taking 110 00:03:56,830 --> 00:03:59,310 the helm here as we went from I . O . C . 111 00:03:59,310 --> 00:04:01,366 To F . O . C . You know I knew I was 112 00:04:01,366 --> 00:04:03,532 going to take this job I think back in 113 00:04:03,532 --> 00:04:05,699 january but there were a lot of things 114 00:04:05,699 --> 00:04:07,866 I had to iron out transitioning out of 115 00:04:07,866 --> 00:04:09,921 my other job and I'm I'm so grateful 116 00:04:09,921 --> 00:04:12,088 you stepped in , you kept your day job 117 00:04:12,088 --> 00:04:14,143 as the chief information officer for 118 00:04:14,143 --> 00:04:16,260 the D . O . D . I'm really curious to 119 00:04:16,260 --> 00:04:18,520 your thoughts about uh what was it like 120 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,631 going from A . O . C . To F . O . C . 121 00:04:20,631 --> 00:04:22,742 What advice do you have for me ? Like 122 00:04:22,742 --> 00:04:24,853 what what did I miss that ? I need to 123 00:04:24,853 --> 00:04:26,798 know so well I first want to thank 124 00:04:26,798 --> 00:04:28,909 Deputy Secretary hicks for her vision 125 00:04:28,909 --> 00:04:31,540 and leadership in in driving the need 126 00:04:31,540 --> 00:04:33,930 to establish a C . D . Ao bringing 127 00:04:33,930 --> 00:04:36,041 together these functions where we had 128 00:04:36,041 --> 00:04:38,319 already had wind in ourselves on the A . 129 00:04:38,319 --> 00:04:40,670 I . M . Out front data advanced 130 00:04:40,670 --> 00:04:42,890 analytics with Advanta and then with 131 00:04:42,900 --> 00:04:45,300 digital services with D . D . S . And 132 00:04:45,300 --> 00:04:47,411 bringing that together into a unified 133 00:04:47,411 --> 00:04:49,522 effort to move us to the next level . 134 00:04:49,522 --> 00:04:51,689 But it was her vision , her guidance , 135 00:04:51,689 --> 00:04:54,410 her backing that enabled this to really 136 00:04:54,410 --> 00:04:56,840 get out us to get after this . Also 137 00:04:56,840 --> 00:04:59,007 want to give a big shout out to mr Jim 138 00:04:59,007 --> 00:05:01,062 mitri um who I think we'll be seeing 139 00:05:01,062 --> 00:05:04,460 here later very shortly . Jim came a 140 00:05:04,470 --> 00:05:08,380 long time . Uh D . O . D . Official was 141 00:05:08,380 --> 00:05:10,820 out in the private sector . Came back 142 00:05:10,820 --> 00:05:12,987 in for a while to help us get this set 143 00:05:12,987 --> 00:05:14,931 up and there was a lot of pick and 144 00:05:14,931 --> 00:05:16,876 shovel work in addition to the big 145 00:05:16,876 --> 00:05:18,431 muscle movement of bringing 146 00:05:18,431 --> 00:05:20,653 organizations together . But how do you 147 00:05:20,653 --> 00:05:22,709 stand something like this up ? And I 148 00:05:22,709 --> 00:05:24,709 want to thank jim . But another key 149 00:05:24,709 --> 00:05:26,876 part is the leaders in the constituent 150 00:05:26,876 --> 00:05:29,098 organizations that now comprise C . D . 151 00:05:29,098 --> 00:05:31,042 A . Oh your team craig have really 152 00:05:31,042 --> 00:05:33,530 leaned in have really thought broadly 153 00:05:33,530 --> 00:05:36,230 about what how do we how do we get more 154 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,407 out of where we need to go with this ? 155 00:05:38,407 --> 00:05:41,180 And so that made my job as the acting C . 156 00:05:41,180 --> 00:05:43,660 D . A . O . For a time easier to work 157 00:05:43,660 --> 00:05:45,660 with such bright minds , such great 158 00:05:45,660 --> 00:05:47,493 leaders and the workforce coming 159 00:05:47,493 --> 00:05:49,382 together . And as we said we were 160 00:05:49,382 --> 00:05:51,716 building the plane as we were flying in , 161 00:05:51,716 --> 00:05:54,330 Ukraine has been going on . We've had 162 00:05:54,340 --> 00:05:56,460 real world operational needs to get 163 00:05:56,460 --> 00:05:58,404 after as well as other things that 164 00:05:58,404 --> 00:06:00,571 don't quite get the coverage perhaps , 165 00:06:00,571 --> 00:06:02,793 but on things like business analytics , 166 00:06:02,793 --> 00:06:05,160 things like counter unmanned aerial 167 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,382 systems or unscrewed aerial systems U . 168 00:06:07,382 --> 00:06:09,560 A . S . S . Um things like strategy , 169 00:06:09,570 --> 00:06:11,790 things like data governance which as 170 00:06:11,790 --> 00:06:13,568 you know is such a foundational 171 00:06:13,568 --> 00:06:16,730 activity in terms of also key leaders . 172 00:06:16,730 --> 00:06:18,786 I want to give Miss margie pommery a 173 00:06:18,786 --> 00:06:21,380 shout at she's gonna be your your your 174 00:06:21,380 --> 00:06:24,290 your not only wing person but also I 175 00:06:24,290 --> 00:06:26,290 think a shepherd here . She's so 176 00:06:26,290 --> 00:06:28,457 seasoned here in the department coming 177 00:06:28,457 --> 00:06:31,830 over from uh the deputy the Vice 178 00:06:31,830 --> 00:06:34,680 Cno staff , she's been the deputy see 179 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,030 Diego now for a couple of months now 180 00:06:37,030 --> 00:06:39,197 and I think she's going to continue to 181 00:06:39,197 --> 00:06:41,141 be a key asset for you . The other 182 00:06:41,141 --> 00:06:43,308 thing I've been privileged to do craig 183 00:06:43,308 --> 00:06:45,530 is talk about C . D . Ao the promise of 184 00:06:45,530 --> 00:06:47,752 what this new organization is doing and 185 00:06:47,752 --> 00:06:49,586 will do it places like NATO . As 186 00:06:49,586 --> 00:06:51,808 recently as two weeks ago , some of our 187 00:06:51,808 --> 00:06:53,974 allies are considering C . D . Ao like 188 00:06:53,974 --> 00:06:56,086 efforts and also talking to the media 189 00:06:56,086 --> 00:06:58,197 and others about what we're doing and 190 00:06:58,197 --> 00:07:00,363 where we're gonna be taking this . But 191 00:07:00,363 --> 00:07:02,474 I gotta tell you the excitement craig 192 00:07:02,474 --> 00:07:04,641 about you coming in here to really put 193 00:07:04,641 --> 00:07:06,752 the afterburners on here is the sense 194 00:07:06,752 --> 00:07:08,641 I'm getting from everybody on the 195 00:07:08,641 --> 00:07:10,930 advice , I would just say we've got an 196 00:07:10,930 --> 00:07:13,097 amazing team . They're looking forward 197 00:07:13,097 --> 00:07:15,208 to working with you the you setting a 198 00:07:15,208 --> 00:07:17,374 north star here and I think the entire 199 00:07:17,374 --> 00:07:19,440 department is as well and I think 200 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,496 you've got you've got a willing team 201 00:07:21,496 --> 00:07:23,930 ready to work with you sir . Um Yeah 202 00:07:23,940 --> 00:07:25,996 that's exactly what I know I've only 203 00:07:25,996 --> 00:07:27,996 been here three days right ? And so 204 00:07:27,996 --> 00:07:30,051 officially been here three days . Um 205 00:07:30,051 --> 00:07:32,310 and it's been a firehose . But um apart 206 00:07:32,310 --> 00:07:34,421 from being really overwhelming , it's 207 00:07:34,421 --> 00:07:36,199 been extremely exciting . Um In 208 00:07:36,199 --> 00:07:38,690 particular I've noticed uh all these 209 00:07:38,690 --> 00:07:40,746 things that you said the willingness 210 00:07:40,746 --> 00:07:42,912 the great leadership , the constituent 211 00:07:42,912 --> 00:07:45,079 teams and makeup Cdo have really great 212 00:07:45,079 --> 00:07:47,301 missions they are delivering , they are 213 00:07:47,301 --> 00:07:49,246 executing . They are bringing real 214 00:07:49,246 --> 00:07:51,301 value to the D . O . D . I think the 215 00:07:51,301 --> 00:07:53,523 value that I would like our ordering on 216 00:07:53,523 --> 00:07:55,690 top of that is exactly what you said . 217 00:07:55,690 --> 00:07:57,690 What's the North Star in particular 218 00:07:57,690 --> 00:07:59,523 with , with respect to balancing 219 00:07:59,523 --> 00:08:01,634 tactical and strategic right ? We can 220 00:08:01,634 --> 00:08:03,857 have a bunch of tactical weapons and we 221 00:08:03,857 --> 00:08:03,510 can win against are facing adversaries 222 00:08:03,510 --> 00:08:06,100 today but We need to win 10 years from 223 00:08:06,100 --> 00:08:08,267 now to we need to win five years now . 224 00:08:08,267 --> 00:08:10,378 We need to win three years from now . 225 00:08:10,378 --> 00:08:09,970 So we need some , we need to be 226 00:08:09,970 --> 00:08:12,081 spending a lot of time thinking about 227 00:08:12,081 --> 00:08:14,192 how do we balance those two . So when 228 00:08:14,192 --> 00:08:16,026 we deploy , when we , when we do 229 00:08:16,026 --> 00:08:19,430 something um um like like A D . A . Or 230 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,990 or with the Ukraine . Um how do we then 231 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,167 make sure that the architecture we use 232 00:08:25,167 --> 00:08:27,330 today is gonna service tomorrow . How 233 00:08:27,330 --> 00:08:31,270 do we make sure that um , the in 234 00:08:31,270 --> 00:08:33,270 the foundation that's gonna make us 235 00:08:33,270 --> 00:08:35,326 even better five years from now . So 236 00:08:35,326 --> 00:08:37,214 these are the , I think the tough 237 00:08:37,214 --> 00:08:36,850 things we need to think about and and 238 00:08:36,850 --> 00:08:38,628 maybe before we get to the next 239 00:08:38,628 --> 00:08:40,794 question . The other thing I would add 240 00:08:40,794 --> 00:08:42,906 in here too and maybe just a dressing 241 00:08:42,906 --> 00:08:44,850 this upfront . I know we've gotten 242 00:08:44,850 --> 00:08:46,739 questions about the institutional 243 00:08:46,739 --> 00:08:48,739 heritage is some of the constituent 244 00:08:48,739 --> 00:08:50,906 organizations and they have made great 245 00:08:50,906 --> 00:08:53,160 impacts the Joint AI center C . D . O . 246 00:08:53,540 --> 00:08:55,373 Defense Digital Services and add 247 00:08:55,373 --> 00:08:57,680 vomiting and I know being in a military 248 00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:00,170 organization here where we have 249 00:09:00,180 --> 00:09:03,160 military units with such key heritage 250 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,370 is when , when they come together or 251 00:09:05,370 --> 00:09:07,481 there's some reorganization , there's 252 00:09:07,481 --> 00:09:09,537 always thoughts are we kind of quote 253 00:09:09,537 --> 00:09:11,900 pacing the colors as it were or 254 00:09:11,910 --> 00:09:13,910 bringing together , but I would say 255 00:09:13,910 --> 00:09:16,132 really the synergies we're going to get 256 00:09:16,132 --> 00:09:18,021 together out of this and where we 257 00:09:18,021 --> 00:09:20,260 respect that which came before and the 258 00:09:20,260 --> 00:09:22,371 efforts over the past few years . But 259 00:09:22,371 --> 00:09:24,482 the understanding and your experience 260 00:09:24,482 --> 00:09:26,704 and industry will certainly inform this 261 00:09:26,704 --> 00:09:29,170 our pacing challenge in Beijing other 262 00:09:29,180 --> 00:09:31,458 other concerns in Moscow and elsewhere . 263 00:09:31,458 --> 00:09:33,624 They're not standing still in terms of 264 00:09:33,624 --> 00:09:35,791 how they're moving out on A I . And we 265 00:09:35,791 --> 00:09:37,736 mustn't be too heritage focused in 266 00:09:37,736 --> 00:09:39,902 terms of well this organizational name 267 00:09:39,902 --> 00:09:42,013 or whatever and I think the workforce 268 00:09:42,013 --> 00:09:44,180 is ready to lean in on this so well we 269 00:09:44,180 --> 00:09:46,347 respect which came before . We're also 270 00:09:46,347 --> 00:09:48,513 going to create new here . I think you 271 00:09:48,513 --> 00:09:50,569 would agree with that . I completely 272 00:09:50,569 --> 00:09:52,902 agree . But we're gonna do that without , 273 00:09:52,902 --> 00:09:52,270 it's not scorched earth . We're gonna 274 00:09:52,270 --> 00:09:54,437 find the things that have been working 275 00:09:54,437 --> 00:09:56,214 and we are gonna take from this 276 00:09:56,214 --> 00:09:57,770 organization , a particular 277 00:09:57,770 --> 00:09:59,770 organization . We're gonna spread , 278 00:09:59,770 --> 00:10:01,992 we're gonna take that cultural heritage 279 00:10:01,992 --> 00:10:01,740 and spread that over all of C . B . A . 280 00:10:01,740 --> 00:10:03,851 I think that's a spot on point . Well 281 00:10:03,851 --> 00:10:06,073 that kind of leads to the next question 282 00:10:06,073 --> 00:10:08,240 craig . So you've been here three days 283 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,190 uh hitting the treadmill running here 284 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,770 and uh you mentioned this a little bit 285 00:10:13,770 --> 00:10:15,990 but a little bit more on on on your 286 00:10:15,990 --> 00:10:18,157 impressions here , both kind of in the 287 00:10:18,157 --> 00:10:20,157 tactical level of of getting in the 288 00:10:20,157 --> 00:10:22,046 door here to being in D . O . D . 289 00:10:22,046 --> 00:10:24,157 You've taught an nps . Your professor 290 00:10:24,157 --> 00:10:26,379 there but now here in the building kind 291 00:10:26,379 --> 00:10:28,601 of what are your impressions all this ? 292 00:10:28,601 --> 00:10:30,546 So um let me say honestly that the 293 00:10:30,546 --> 00:10:32,680 bureaucracy is real . Uh I've noticed 294 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:34,847 that in three days it's I've been here 295 00:10:34,847 --> 00:10:36,847 three days I still don't have a cat 296 00:10:36,847 --> 00:10:38,847 card for example so I still have to 297 00:10:38,847 --> 00:10:41,124 wait in line at the visitor's entrance . 298 00:10:41,124 --> 00:10:43,236 Um And so so that's that's real . And 299 00:10:43,236 --> 00:10:45,270 it's also as I was watching the 300 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,058 symposium there's been a lot of 301 00:10:47,058 --> 00:10:50,090 comments or comments um on linkedin 302 00:10:50,100 --> 00:10:51,933 about press about C . D . A . Oh 303 00:10:51,933 --> 00:10:54,100 that'll say things like well just wait 304 00:10:54,100 --> 00:10:56,322 till he hits the bureaucracy . You know 305 00:10:56,322 --> 00:10:58,544 he'll he'll be out the door yelling out 306 00:10:58,544 --> 00:10:58,460 the door screaming like other folks 307 00:10:58,460 --> 00:11:00,890 have been of late and my attitude is 308 00:11:00,890 --> 00:11:03,130 slightly different . I don't we're not 309 00:11:03,130 --> 00:11:05,186 going to change the bureaucracy as a 310 00:11:05,186 --> 00:11:07,130 whole . That's that's that's not a 311 00:11:07,130 --> 00:11:09,297 challenge I want to put for the team . 312 00:11:09,297 --> 00:11:11,241 We need to find the right gaps the 313 00:11:11,241 --> 00:11:13,186 right places where we can leverage 314 00:11:13,186 --> 00:11:15,297 value and then that value is gonna is 315 00:11:15,297 --> 00:11:17,241 going to drive a virtuous cycle of 316 00:11:17,241 --> 00:11:19,230 change and you know a lot of folks 317 00:11:19,230 --> 00:11:21,286 think the D . O . D . Should be more 318 00:11:21,286 --> 00:11:23,470 like industry . Some of that is true . 319 00:11:23,530 --> 00:11:25,863 There's a lot of things about the D . O . 320 00:11:25,863 --> 00:11:27,919 D . That can't be more like industry 321 00:11:27,919 --> 00:11:30,030 and we shouldn't try to to force that 322 00:11:30,030 --> 00:11:32,030 square hole in that square peg in a 323 00:11:32,030 --> 00:11:31,490 round hole , right ? We need to find 324 00:11:31,490 --> 00:11:33,920 out how to keep the D . O . D . But 325 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,040 also make it more efficient and work 326 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,151 better . You know if I can to rip off 327 00:11:38,151 --> 00:11:40,330 one of your points about the cat card 328 00:11:40,330 --> 00:11:42,552 and you know , we talk a lot about user 329 00:11:42,552 --> 00:11:44,719 experience and that is one area in C . 330 00:11:44,719 --> 00:11:46,980 I . O . We're gonna be working closely 331 00:11:46,980 --> 00:11:49,147 with you on and we've we've heard loud 332 00:11:49,147 --> 00:11:50,980 and clear that fix our computers 333 00:11:50,980 --> 00:11:53,202 narrative . That's been out there for a 334 00:11:53,202 --> 00:11:55,147 few months . I was just talking in 335 00:11:55,147 --> 00:11:57,258 Huntsville yesterday at a SAP I . T . 336 00:11:57,258 --> 00:11:59,480 Conference and this is a this resonates 337 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,813 in a in a big way with us that you know , 338 00:12:01,813 --> 00:12:04,036 I think about the airmen down at Tinker 339 00:12:04,036 --> 00:12:06,202 Air Force Base and she's trying to get 340 00:12:06,202 --> 00:12:08,313 her maintenance report ready and sees 341 00:12:08,313 --> 00:12:10,591 the spinny wheel going on and you know , 342 00:12:10,591 --> 00:12:12,424 wonders , you know , she's doing 343 00:12:12,424 --> 00:12:14,536 maintenance on a on a tanker aircraft 344 00:12:14,536 --> 00:12:16,702 and wondering how we're gonna beat our 345 00:12:16,702 --> 00:12:19,740 pacing challenge if we can't get , get 346 00:12:19,740 --> 00:12:21,962 the I . T . F . I want . You know , and 347 00:12:21,962 --> 00:12:24,018 I know you feel the same way you and 348 00:12:24,018 --> 00:12:25,962 you've created working in industry 349 00:12:25,962 --> 00:12:28,018 positive user experience and this is 350 00:12:28,018 --> 00:12:30,018 something we take the heart so that 351 00:12:30,018 --> 00:12:32,240 your your your recent knowledge of this 352 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,351 coming right into the building here I 353 00:12:34,351 --> 00:12:36,573 think will inform this . Well um I'm in 354 00:12:36,573 --> 00:12:38,184 total agreement . One of the 355 00:12:38,184 --> 00:12:40,296 particulars that I'M excited about is 356 00:12:40,296 --> 00:12:42,407 is ADa so artificial intelligence and 357 00:12:42,407 --> 00:12:45,210 data accelerator . Um and I know that 358 00:12:45,210 --> 00:12:47,432 you've had a big part of helping to get 359 00:12:47,432 --> 00:12:49,654 that where it is today . So I'd love to 360 00:12:49,654 --> 00:12:51,766 know a little bit more about it . And 361 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,151 where do you think it's going and and 362 00:12:54,151 --> 00:12:56,262 its success ? Absolutely . So the ADa 363 00:12:56,262 --> 00:12:58,484 initiative , which I know Craig will be 364 00:12:58,484 --> 00:13:00,818 one of your flagship activities as well , 365 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,896 started quite a number of months ago 366 00:13:02,896 --> 00:13:05,118 and again with Deputy Secretary Hicks's 367 00:13:05,118 --> 00:13:07,007 full backing and working with the 368 00:13:07,007 --> 00:13:09,340 combatant commanders across the co coms , 369 00:13:09,340 --> 00:13:11,396 being able to get out to the various 370 00:13:11,396 --> 00:13:13,396 locations , be it Honolulu colorado 371 00:13:13,396 --> 00:13:15,618 springs Miami stood guard , you name it 372 00:13:15,618 --> 00:13:17,840 to be able to get into the Koken spaces 373 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,673 with ai data and digital service 374 00:13:19,673 --> 00:13:21,960 experts to really see what the problems 375 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:23,904 are , further respective combatant 376 00:13:23,904 --> 00:13:25,904 commanders and what they need to be 377 00:13:25,904 --> 00:13:28,238 able to get after and unlock their data . 378 00:13:28,238 --> 00:13:30,210 Think about what sort of AI and Ml 379 00:13:30,210 --> 00:13:32,610 capabilities would help them get ahead 380 00:13:32,620 --> 00:13:35,210 of their their particular problem sets , 381 00:13:35,210 --> 00:13:38,260 which will admittedly vary whether it's 382 00:13:38,380 --> 00:13:40,213 the pacing challenge in the indo 383 00:13:40,213 --> 00:13:42,324 pacific region , whether it's Ukraine 384 00:13:42,324 --> 00:13:45,270 for Yukon and general walter or whether 385 00:13:45,290 --> 00:13:47,090 it's transnational criminal 386 00:13:47,090 --> 00:13:48,979 organizations that South . Com is 387 00:13:48,979 --> 00:13:51,290 working with partner nations on and the 388 00:13:51,290 --> 00:13:53,457 key thing , I've really been impressed 389 00:13:53,457 --> 00:13:55,679 with Craig and I know you will be too , 390 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:55,490 as you really get settled in here is 391 00:13:55,490 --> 00:13:57,434 the work that's already underway . 392 00:13:57,434 --> 00:13:59,546 We've talked a bit in the media about 393 00:13:59,546 --> 00:14:01,657 the logistics support for the flow of 394 00:14:01,657 --> 00:14:05,180 weapons and so on into EUCOM AO are to 395 00:14:05,180 --> 00:14:07,900 support the Ukraine situation and 396 00:14:07,900 --> 00:14:10,067 really seeing how for example add Vana 397 00:14:10,340 --> 00:14:12,550 working together with the data folks 398 00:14:12,550 --> 00:14:15,890 and we've got the Ai experts working 399 00:14:15,890 --> 00:14:19,070 this and then D d s coming in there to 400 00:14:19,070 --> 00:14:21,126 be able to look at , for example , a 401 00:14:21,126 --> 00:14:23,348 registry , the Corby registry on things 402 00:14:23,348 --> 00:14:25,710 that are needed for Ukraine needs both 403 00:14:25,710 --> 00:14:28,043 for different types of support , lethal , 404 00:14:28,043 --> 00:14:30,043 non lethal . This is where the real 405 00:14:30,043 --> 00:14:31,932 rubber meeting the road , I think 406 00:14:31,932 --> 00:14:33,877 there's more work to do but ADA is 407 00:14:33,877 --> 00:14:36,210 going to be a flagship achievement here . 408 00:14:36,210 --> 00:14:36,020 So I think , I think you point out a 409 00:14:36,020 --> 00:14:39,690 really good point which is , I didn't 410 00:14:39,690 --> 00:14:42,590 know what to expect with respect to the 411 00:14:42,590 --> 00:14:44,701 number of initiatives are actually in 412 00:14:44,701 --> 00:14:46,670 play and being effective and I've 413 00:14:46,670 --> 00:14:48,781 actually been really impressed by the 414 00:14:48,781 --> 00:14:50,781 number of things that that that the 415 00:14:50,781 --> 00:14:53,140 team is doing . Yeah , and ADA is one 416 00:14:53,150 --> 00:14:55,370 that's continuing to evolve . I think 417 00:14:55,370 --> 00:14:57,730 there is much opportunity to continue 418 00:14:57,730 --> 00:14:59,952 to flesh this out and I think one thing 419 00:14:59,952 --> 00:15:02,063 you will be able to do and and margie 420 00:15:02,063 --> 00:15:04,008 and the team will be to surface up 421 00:15:04,008 --> 00:15:06,008 certain trends , certain enterprise 422 00:15:06,008 --> 00:15:08,630 level activities and and needs that 423 00:15:08,630 --> 00:15:11,170 that will transcend the commands uh to 424 00:15:11,170 --> 00:15:13,392 be able to as you're thinking about the 425 00:15:13,392 --> 00:15:15,614 next ai capabilities , working with the 426 00:15:15,614 --> 00:15:15,540 service is working through the 427 00:15:15,540 --> 00:15:17,207 governance that you will have 428 00:15:17,207 --> 00:15:19,096 established now and that you will 429 00:15:19,096 --> 00:15:21,318 probably want to refine going forward , 430 00:15:21,318 --> 00:15:23,840 but ada is is gonna be such a key focus 431 00:15:23,870 --> 00:15:26,148 for that . Yeah , I think that's right . 432 00:15:26,148 --> 00:15:28,426 I think that's right . Um so one thing , 433 00:15:28,426 --> 00:15:30,481 one of the reasons I took the job is 434 00:15:30,481 --> 00:15:32,648 because of our early conversations and 435 00:15:32,648 --> 00:15:34,759 it was really clear to me that um I'm 436 00:15:34,759 --> 00:15:36,759 gonna need full support of C I O to 437 00:15:36,759 --> 00:15:39,160 make C D AO successful and I'm I'm 438 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,271 completely confident that we're gonna 439 00:15:41,271 --> 00:15:43,382 work together great . But I'd love to 440 00:15:43,382 --> 00:15:45,604 know your opinion about what's the best 441 00:15:45,604 --> 00:15:44,850 way for us to go forward as a team . 442 00:15:44,940 --> 00:15:46,829 Well , in addition to meeting and 443 00:15:46,829 --> 00:15:48,884 talking frequently , because when we 444 00:15:48,884 --> 00:15:51,107 first met , I remember you were out for 445 00:15:51,107 --> 00:15:53,273 your interview with dr hicks , you sat 446 00:15:53,273 --> 00:15:52,730 in my office and I said our teams are 447 00:15:52,730 --> 00:15:54,952 gonna meet together regularly , will co 448 00:15:54,952 --> 00:15:58,240 host a corporate meeting that's going 449 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,500 to be the case . Um So more 450 00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:02,444 functionally , what we're gonna be 451 00:16:02,444 --> 00:16:04,556 doing a lot of what we're doing right 452 00:16:04,556 --> 00:16:04,530 now with digital modernization will 453 00:16:04,530 --> 00:16:07,060 directly empower the C D A . O . What 454 00:16:07,060 --> 00:16:09,116 we're doing , for example , with any 455 00:16:09,116 --> 00:16:11,171 foundational infrastructure , things 456 00:16:11,171 --> 00:16:12,782 like transport , the defense 457 00:16:12,782 --> 00:16:15,004 information system agencies disa that's 458 00:16:15,004 --> 00:16:17,171 deploying and working with our service 459 00:16:17,171 --> 00:16:19,393 colleagues getting that out there , but 460 00:16:19,393 --> 00:16:21,393 also at the enterprise level , what 461 00:16:21,393 --> 00:16:20,980 we're doing with the joint warfighting , 462 00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:24,020 cloud capability , J W C C , multi 463 00:16:24,020 --> 00:16:25,970 cloud , multi vendor , all three 464 00:16:25,970 --> 00:16:28,440 security classifications from Conus out 465 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,770 to the tactical edge , not only for 466 00:16:30,770 --> 00:16:32,830 compute workloads storage , but to 467 00:16:32,830 --> 00:16:35,210 enable Ai and machine learning across 468 00:16:35,210 --> 00:16:37,266 the combatant commands which will be 469 00:16:37,266 --> 00:16:39,377 critical for joint all domain command 470 00:16:39,377 --> 00:16:41,488 and control Jazz C two , which I know 471 00:16:41,488 --> 00:16:43,043 you will have a key role in 472 00:16:43,043 --> 00:16:45,266 cybersecurity as we secure our data and 473 00:16:45,266 --> 00:16:47,432 algorithms are systems , we talk a lot 474 00:16:47,432 --> 00:16:49,432 about zero trust . A new philosophy 475 00:16:49,432 --> 00:16:51,488 there , that assumes an adversary is 476 00:16:51,488 --> 00:16:53,432 already on our network . How do we 477 00:16:53,432 --> 00:16:55,321 micro segment our network ? So to 478 00:16:55,321 --> 00:16:57,266 prevent that adversary from moving 479 00:16:57,266 --> 00:16:59,321 laterally and we're gonna be working 480 00:16:59,321 --> 00:17:01,377 closely as we leverage Ai to help us 481 00:17:01,377 --> 00:17:03,710 get even better as we employ zero trust . 482 00:17:04,140 --> 00:17:06,130 Um Those are some of the main big 483 00:17:06,130 --> 00:17:08,352 things but there's gonna be innumerable 484 00:17:08,352 --> 00:17:10,463 other things as we look at leveraging 485 00:17:10,463 --> 00:17:12,408 commercial sat . Com as we look at 486 00:17:12,408 --> 00:17:14,463 other C . Three areas and as we work 487 00:17:14,463 --> 00:17:16,797 together just to make sure that C . D A . 488 00:17:16,797 --> 00:17:19,019 O . Has the very best technology to get 489 00:17:19,019 --> 00:17:20,963 after your mission sets . So I was 490 00:17:20,963 --> 00:17:23,186 smiling through all of that because you 491 00:17:23,186 --> 00:17:25,019 know , this is this is one of my 492 00:17:25,019 --> 00:17:26,963 largest concerns is if we're doing 493 00:17:26,963 --> 00:17:29,019 important ai at the edge , how do we 494 00:17:29,019 --> 00:17:31,019 how do we get that data ? How do we 495 00:17:31,019 --> 00:17:30,190 make sure that data is fresh ? How do 496 00:17:30,190 --> 00:17:32,920 we make sure it's quality ? So these 497 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,142 are exactly the kind of things that C . 498 00:17:35,142 --> 00:17:37,780 D . O . C D A . Is going to need um in 499 00:17:37,780 --> 00:17:39,947 particular , I sort of see us as a car 500 00:17:39,947 --> 00:17:42,113 that's driving on the road that you're 501 00:17:42,113 --> 00:17:44,280 building that you're building for us . 502 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:44,240 And so this relationship is gonna be 503 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,760 extremely strong . In addition , I like 504 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,110 that you're leveraging the relationship 505 00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:51,221 with industry because it doesn't make 506 00:17:51,221 --> 00:17:53,810 any sense for us to build , to build 507 00:17:53,830 --> 00:17:55,886 things that we shouldn't be building 508 00:17:55,886 --> 00:17:58,108 here . If industry has got a solution , 509 00:17:58,108 --> 00:18:00,274 that's a solution that we should use . 510 00:18:00,274 --> 00:17:59,970 One of the things that that I want us 511 00:17:59,970 --> 00:18:02,081 to spend a lot of time thinking about 512 00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:04,250 the john is how do we , how do we not 513 00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:06,417 just go to the big players ? How do we 514 00:18:06,417 --> 00:18:08,306 make it easy ? How do we create a 515 00:18:08,306 --> 00:18:10,250 marketplace for , for startups for 516 00:18:10,250 --> 00:18:12,306 medium size , for small businesses ? 517 00:18:12,306 --> 00:18:14,361 Because particularly in the Ai space 518 00:18:14,361 --> 00:18:16,472 and and I'm sure in many other spaces 519 00:18:16,472 --> 00:18:18,139 as well , um there's a lot of 520 00:18:18,139 --> 00:18:20,083 innovation happening in two person 521 00:18:20,083 --> 00:18:22,306 shops or five person shops , you know , 522 00:18:22,306 --> 00:18:24,250 a good brain with a good idea , we 523 00:18:24,250 --> 00:18:26,472 wanna be able to leverage all of that . 524 00:18:26,472 --> 00:18:26,350 So when I start , when I start hitting 525 00:18:26,350 --> 00:18:28,572 some of those roadblocks , I'm gonna be 526 00:18:28,572 --> 00:18:30,739 coming to you for advice on how to get 527 00:18:30,739 --> 00:18:32,739 past that . And I , we welcome that 528 00:18:32,739 --> 00:18:32,330 craig because you've got such recent 529 00:18:32,330 --> 00:18:35,600 experience in a very large company 530 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,740 that's highly successful , but also 531 00:18:37,740 --> 00:18:39,820 your , your over many years working 532 00:18:39,820 --> 00:18:41,987 with small and medium sized businesses 533 00:18:42,140 --> 00:18:44,251 as we work with Dr Bill , a plant the 534 00:18:44,251 --> 00:18:45,973 undersecretary for acquisition 535 00:18:45,973 --> 00:18:47,973 sustainment , Miss Heidi shoe , the 536 00:18:47,973 --> 00:18:49,751 undersecretary for research and 537 00:18:49,751 --> 00:18:51,696 engineering and I gotta tell you , 538 00:18:51,696 --> 00:18:53,918 Deputy Secretary Hicks has been such an 539 00:18:53,918 --> 00:18:55,973 advocate for this as we do better in 540 00:18:55,973 --> 00:18:58,029 this space . And one other area will 541 00:18:58,029 --> 00:19:00,140 have an overlap . There is we look at 542 00:19:00,140 --> 00:19:00,030 cybersecurity for the defense 543 00:19:00,030 --> 00:19:02,690 industrial base to not creating undue 544 00:19:02,690 --> 00:19:04,468 burdens on the small and medium 545 00:19:04,468 --> 00:19:06,634 businesses . That's a whole other area 546 00:19:06,634 --> 00:19:08,746 there . That also affects how they're 547 00:19:08,746 --> 00:19:11,590 able to work and provide contributions . 548 00:19:11,700 --> 00:19:13,811 We were talking before this about how 549 00:19:13,811 --> 00:19:15,756 we really see us . Industry is our 550 00:19:15,756 --> 00:19:18,560 secret sauce , our our our special 551 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,671 advantage here in the United States . 552 00:19:20,671 --> 00:19:22,893 That gives us a leg up on authoritarian 553 00:19:22,893 --> 00:19:25,060 governments and others who we may have 554 00:19:25,060 --> 00:19:27,060 to face down at some point and your 555 00:19:27,060 --> 00:19:28,980 knowledge on how to really speak 556 00:19:28,980 --> 00:19:32,280 industry and not not come at it as a 557 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,447 government person would is going to be 558 00:19:34,447 --> 00:19:36,850 critical craig well , um absolutely my 559 00:19:36,850 --> 00:19:38,961 best john , I promise . Um one of the 560 00:19:38,961 --> 00:19:41,120 things that I have noticed um is that 561 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:42,953 we're starting to think about an 562 00:19:42,953 --> 00:19:44,953 important , important piece of this 563 00:19:44,953 --> 00:19:47,064 puzzle , which is a talent pipeline . 564 00:19:47,064 --> 00:19:49,340 And um so , so I'd love to know your 565 00:19:49,340 --> 00:19:51,507 thoughts on like the ways to get great 566 00:19:51,507 --> 00:19:53,618 talent and we can't pay what industry 567 00:19:53,618 --> 00:19:56,040 pays , but we have a mission that 568 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,096 people are gonna get behind . And so 569 00:19:58,096 --> 00:19:59,929 I'd love to know uh How you been 570 00:19:59,929 --> 00:20:02,096 navigating that . So we're and this is 571 00:20:02,096 --> 00:20:04,318 such a priority for us . The technology 572 00:20:04,318 --> 00:20:06,429 is important , but as you've noted so 573 00:20:06,429 --> 00:20:08,484 often it really is the women and men 574 00:20:08,484 --> 00:20:10,707 who surprise our workforce . We have to 575 00:20:10,707 --> 00:20:12,818 think differently about this in terms 576 00:20:12,818 --> 00:20:14,818 of the 30 year career in government 577 00:20:14,818 --> 00:20:17,151 probably won't be the way ahead on this . 578 00:20:17,151 --> 00:20:19,262 But as you've noted in other venues , 579 00:20:19,262 --> 00:20:21,540 the the mission here in the department , 580 00:20:21,540 --> 00:20:23,707 defense doing our national security is 581 00:20:23,707 --> 00:20:25,920 so important where you know , it's not 582 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,031 to say you can't do similar things in 583 00:20:28,031 --> 00:20:30,087 industry , but to be able to get the 584 00:20:30,087 --> 00:20:31,976 mission experience supporting our 585 00:20:31,976 --> 00:20:33,976 service members , the department is 586 00:20:33,976 --> 00:20:35,976 unique with that . But we've got to 587 00:20:35,976 --> 00:20:38,198 have a way where people can come and go 588 00:20:38,198 --> 00:20:40,309 between D . O . D . And industry in a 589 00:20:40,309 --> 00:20:42,476 way that has been maybe not as easy as 590 00:20:42,476 --> 00:20:44,642 it has been and then maybe coming back 591 00:20:44,642 --> 00:20:46,587 to government after some number of 592 00:20:46,587 --> 00:20:48,587 years in an industry where a person 593 00:20:48,587 --> 00:20:50,809 like yourself , you know , who's taught 594 00:20:50,809 --> 00:20:52,753 at Nps done things in industry now 595 00:20:52,753 --> 00:20:54,753 comes in in a very senior executive 596 00:20:54,753 --> 00:20:56,809 role . We have to have personnel and 597 00:20:56,809 --> 00:20:58,920 other systems that allow security and 598 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,087 everything that allow for that because 599 00:21:01,087 --> 00:21:03,253 we've got to do this because we try to 600 00:21:03,253 --> 00:21:05,590 stick to 1/20 century sort of hiring 601 00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:07,980 and upscaling and retention model . 602 00:21:08,130 --> 00:21:10,352 We're not gonna be able to compete with 603 00:21:10,352 --> 00:21:12,463 the nations we need to . But what are 604 00:21:12,463 --> 00:21:12,040 your thoughts on that ? Well , you 605 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,151 mentioned upscaling , I think a piece 606 00:21:14,151 --> 00:21:16,151 we really need to think about is to 607 00:21:16,151 --> 00:21:17,873 make , make someone's time and 608 00:21:17,873 --> 00:21:19,984 government valuable to their time and 609 00:21:19,984 --> 00:21:21,762 industry . So when they come to 610 00:21:21,762 --> 00:21:23,873 government , we have to give them the 611 00:21:23,873 --> 00:21:23,700 right skills , We have to give them the 612 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:25,980 right experience so that when they're 613 00:21:25,980 --> 00:21:28,580 done Silicon valley or or industry in 614 00:21:28,580 --> 00:21:30,920 general is willing to grab them right . 615 00:21:30,930 --> 00:21:33,230 We I'm not quite sure now that when I 616 00:21:33,230 --> 00:21:35,397 leave government , people are going to 617 00:21:35,397 --> 00:21:37,563 say , oh you've been in government too 618 00:21:37,563 --> 00:21:39,508 long and you're gonna be stale and 619 00:21:39,508 --> 00:21:39,310 you're not gonna you're not gonna be 620 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,320 cutting it on the cutting edge . We 621 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,320 want to create an environment where 622 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,320 people who come to work for us when 623 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:45,220 they're done , they've many doors have 624 00:21:45,220 --> 00:21:47,520 opened for them to get to get back to 625 00:21:47,660 --> 00:21:49,827 me . That's a great point . And one of 626 00:21:49,827 --> 00:21:52,049 the things we've been working on in C . 627 00:21:52,049 --> 00:21:51,520 I . O . And with our colleagues and 628 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,631 personnel and readiness and I want to 629 00:21:53,631 --> 00:21:55,798 partner closely with you is gonna be a 630 00:21:55,798 --> 00:21:58,020 new digital workforce strategy . And it 631 00:21:58,020 --> 00:22:00,580 started as a cyber strategy last year . 632 00:22:00,690 --> 00:22:02,801 But really getting out these issues , 633 00:22:02,801 --> 00:22:05,079 how do we think differently about this ? 634 00:22:05,079 --> 00:22:07,301 How do we leverage the authorities that 635 00:22:07,301 --> 00:22:07,140 we already have our disposal that 636 00:22:07,150 --> 00:22:09,560 Congress has already given us to really 637 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,727 hit the accelerator on that . But then 638 00:22:11,727 --> 00:22:13,671 how do we do things like increased 639 00:22:13,671 --> 00:22:15,949 diversity , recruiting different areas ? 640 00:22:15,949 --> 00:22:17,949 Think really hard about educational 641 00:22:17,949 --> 00:22:20,171 baselines . Are we excluding folks that 642 00:22:20,171 --> 00:22:22,227 could contribute here and then think 643 00:22:22,227 --> 00:22:24,393 broadly again about how there could be 644 00:22:24,393 --> 00:22:26,449 fun Gibilisco between government and 645 00:22:26,449 --> 00:22:28,671 industry in a way and how do folks , as 646 00:22:28,671 --> 00:22:30,393 you've noted , make themselves 647 00:22:30,393 --> 00:22:32,504 marketable industry , I think and and 648 00:22:32,504 --> 00:22:34,504 and with our with our congressional 649 00:22:34,504 --> 00:22:36,504 overseers with the executive branch 650 00:22:36,504 --> 00:22:38,727 with with others that that can have our 651 00:22:38,727 --> 00:22:40,449 backs on this to be able to be 652 00:22:40,449 --> 00:22:42,227 competitive in the 21st century 653 00:22:42,227 --> 00:22:42,110 environment here . And I think 654 00:22:42,110 --> 00:22:43,832 particularly in the C . D . AO 655 00:22:43,832 --> 00:22:46,170 portfolio to get after the talent you 656 00:22:46,170 --> 00:22:48,059 have and that you will need going 657 00:22:48,059 --> 00:22:50,226 forward , this will be so critical . I 658 00:22:50,226 --> 00:22:52,337 couldn't agree more . I think that if 659 00:22:52,337 --> 00:22:54,281 we do this right , we can actually 660 00:22:54,281 --> 00:22:56,503 create a diversity pipeline for Silicon 661 00:22:56,503 --> 00:22:58,614 Valley and they will be pounding down 662 00:22:58,614 --> 00:23:00,670 the door to get to that . So I think 663 00:23:00,670 --> 00:23:02,892 this is a really key initiative that we 664 00:23:02,892 --> 00:23:02,690 need to look into . Yeah . And and so 665 00:23:02,690 --> 00:23:04,600 the absolutely the people peace , 666 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,920 there's there's so much we have to do 667 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,920 on that and I really appreciate the 668 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,790 partner ship with you on that . So , um 669 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,050 well , I know we're about we're getting 670 00:23:14,050 --> 00:23:16,450 close to time here , I believe , but 671 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,000 Craig I just Wanna one thank you for 672 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,222 coming into government service . I mean 673 00:23:21,222 --> 00:23:23,650 this this really speaks to service in 674 00:23:23,650 --> 00:23:25,594 its purest form . I mean , to have 675 00:23:25,594 --> 00:23:27,761 someone like you come in from industry 676 00:23:27,761 --> 00:23:29,706 to make sure we're postured as you 677 00:23:29,706 --> 00:23:31,761 noted , not only for this year , but 678 00:23:31,761 --> 00:23:33,928 for the next 10 years and and Team C . 679 00:23:33,928 --> 00:23:36,340 I . O . And I are absolutely ready to 680 00:23:36,340 --> 00:23:38,396 support and work with you and when I 681 00:23:38,396 --> 00:23:40,507 say Team C I O . It's not only at the 682 00:23:40,507 --> 00:23:42,729 Office Secretary Defense level , I work 683 00:23:42,729 --> 00:23:45,062 so closely with our military department . 684 00:23:45,062 --> 00:23:46,951 See IOS who I really consider key 685 00:23:46,951 --> 00:23:49,410 allies in this , the J the Sixes as 686 00:23:49,410 --> 00:23:51,466 they're known throughout the defense 687 00:23:51,466 --> 00:23:53,577 agencies and field activities and the 688 00:23:53,577 --> 00:23:55,688 Combatant commands . This is going to 689 00:23:55,688 --> 00:23:57,910 require a team of teams and whatever we 690 00:23:57,910 --> 00:24:00,077 can do to help leverage that community 691 00:24:00,077 --> 00:24:02,132 already well established and in many 692 00:24:02,132 --> 00:24:04,354 for your areas to for the date officers 693 00:24:04,354 --> 00:24:06,521 and so on . We look forward to leaning 694 00:24:06,521 --> 00:24:08,632 in on that . Yeah that that thanks so 695 00:24:08,632 --> 00:24:10,688 much on the work that you've already 696 00:24:10,688 --> 00:24:12,966 set up the in getting us from IOC to F . 697 00:24:12,966 --> 00:24:15,243 O . C . I mean I couldn't have done it . 698 00:24:15,243 --> 00:24:17,354 I couldn't have stepped into the role 699 00:24:17,354 --> 00:24:19,077 the way I have without you . I 700 00:24:19,077 --> 00:24:21,188 appreciate that . And for me , one of 701 00:24:21,188 --> 00:24:20,690 the things I'd like for us to be 702 00:24:20,690 --> 00:24:24,120 thinking about Pretty strongly is how 703 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:26,500 do we convince other folks to come in 704 00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:28,667 industry for a tour of duty ? This can 705 00:24:28,667 --> 00:24:30,611 be a tour of duty for me , I'm not 706 00:24:30,611 --> 00:24:32,667 gonna be here for 10 years , right . 707 00:24:32,667 --> 00:24:32,550 I'm gonna be here as long as it takes 708 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,380 to make sure that we are strong and set 709 00:24:35,380 --> 00:24:37,602 for the future . But eventually I'll go 710 00:24:37,602 --> 00:24:39,602 back to my family , right ? So um I 711 00:24:39,602 --> 00:24:41,769 really like this tour of duty notion . 712 00:24:41,769 --> 00:24:43,602 It's actually sort of permeating 713 00:24:43,602 --> 00:24:45,824 industry now . People they do a tour of 714 00:24:45,824 --> 00:24:48,047 duty at a company . Um we should try to 715 00:24:48,047 --> 00:24:50,158 work really hard to figure out how we 716 00:24:50,158 --> 00:24:49,990 can have folks do tours of duty here 717 00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:52,157 and make it really valuable for them . 718 00:24:52,157 --> 00:24:53,990 I think that's a great point and 719 00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:55,601 hopefully there are in other 720 00:24:55,601 --> 00:24:57,601 disciplines and other parts of , of 721 00:24:57,601 --> 00:24:59,712 where we have needs , folks are maybe 722 00:24:59,712 --> 00:25:01,879 looking at you going all right . I can 723 00:25:01,879 --> 00:25:03,990 step up on this , whether it's coming 724 00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:06,212 out of talent management , whether it's 725 00:25:06,212 --> 00:25:08,323 coming out of other sectors , product 726 00:25:08,323 --> 00:25:10,434 management , you know , on that and , 727 00:25:10,434 --> 00:25:12,379 and one other thing , well , while 728 00:25:12,379 --> 00:25:14,601 we're on on this here , I don't know if 729 00:25:14,601 --> 00:25:16,823 they'll have a chance to see it , but I 730 00:25:16,823 --> 00:25:18,990 do want to thank your family . Two . I 731 00:25:18,990 --> 00:25:21,212 know there's , there's any time someone 732 00:25:21,212 --> 00:25:23,157 steps up like this , it's , it's a 733 00:25:23,157 --> 00:25:25,490 family team effort here for your spouse , 734 00:25:25,490 --> 00:25:27,601 your Children . And so I just want to 735 00:25:27,601 --> 00:25:29,712 thank them too and Craig were blessed 736 00:25:29,712 --> 00:25:29,650 and lucky to have you on Team D . O . D . 737 00:25:29,650 --> 00:25:31,706 Here . Thank you . I'm honored to be 738 00:25:31,706 --> 00:25:33,820 here . Thank you . Thank you . Okay , 739 00:25:33,820 --> 00:25:36,690 well I think up our , our fireside chat 740 00:25:36,690 --> 00:25:38,890 here . Um , I appreciate everybody 741 00:25:38,890 --> 00:25:41,630 tuning in today and look forward to 742 00:25:41,630 --> 00:25:43,852 seeing everybody as we get rolling here 743 00:25:43,852 --> 00:25:45,574 on our continued modernization 744 00:25:45,574 --> 00:25:47,460 activities . Thank you all